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02-27-2016 | 11:01 AM
#1511
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I wouldn't put my family on them. They have major problems constantly. Take a look in the Allegiant thread.
Here is just a few clips from hundreds of articles:
"OCALA — Veteran aircraft mechanic Greg Marino worked at Allegiant Air for just two weeks before he quit because of what he said are the airline's dangerous maintenance practices.
Marino said mechanics at the airline's facility in Sanford often lapsed into bad maintenance habits. He said they failed to follow proper procedure in diagnosing aircraft problems and routinely misused a Federal Aviation Administration program that allowed planes, under some conditions, to fly with inoperative components or systems.
Marino said the airline needlessly delayed repairs in the push to keep planes flying, eroding the margin of safety."
Marino said mechanics at the airline's facility in Sanford often lapsed into bad maintenance habits. He said they failed to follow proper procedure in diagnosing aircraft problems and routinely misused a Federal Aviation Administration program that allowed planes, under some conditions, to fly with inoperative components or systems.
Marino said the airline needlessly delayed repairs in the push to keep planes flying, eroding the margin of safety."
Meanwhile, the fleet is plagued by persistent mechanical problems due to poor equipment and the company’s unwillingness to invest in its operation or its workforce, as attested by the numerous FAA safety investigations, aircraft groundings, and training program closures.
The company’s profits are propped up by the extra workload placed on its understaffed, underpaid and overworked workforce and its minimalist approach to maintenance and safety.
With Allegiant making millions in profits each year, our customers and our families should not be put at risk by a company that is content to just barely meet safety standards – a mindset that results in the delays and cancellations you experience when you fly with us.
Allegiant represents the worst in an economy today where greedy CEOs disregard needed investments into a company’s workforce and infrastructure at the expense of passenger safety and for the benefit of Wall Street.
The company’s profits are propped up by the extra workload placed on its understaffed, underpaid and overworked workforce and its minimalist approach to maintenance and safety.
With Allegiant making millions in profits each year, our customers and our families should not be put at risk by a company that is content to just barely meet safety standards – a mindset that results in the delays and cancellations you experience when you fly with us.
Allegiant represents the worst in an economy today where greedy CEOs disregard needed investments into a company’s workforce and infrastructure at the expense of passenger safety and for the benefit of Wall Street.
The Teamsters Aviation Mechanics Coalition recently came out with a report criticizing the airline's maintenance policies. It says that from September of 2014 to March of this year, there were 65 incidents where planes had to be diverted or returned to the gate because of mechanical problems.
"They seem to be putting profits before safety, and that to me is a very frightening thing," said Chris Moore, the chairman of the coalition. "If Allegiant is number two with a 21 percent profit margin, they should not be having these kinds of maintenance issues."
"For the size of their fleet, and to have as many emergency landings as they have and for them to keep turning a blind eye - I'd say it's definitely out of the ordinary," he said.
The pilots union said that the number of emergency incidents and mechanical problems in the last year comes from Allegiant "cutting corners" on safety. It calls for increased oversight from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), as well as overhauling the company's training programs.
And just one week before that, on Aug. 17, a Las Vegas to Peoria, Illinois, flight failed after an out of control takeoff attempt . The plane's nose came up prematurely and pilots couldn't force it back down.
And just one week before that, on Aug. 17, a Las Vegas to Peoria, Illinois, flight failed after an out of control takeoff attempt . The plane's nose came up prematurely and pilots couldn't force it back down.
"And that's one of the issues that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up when I saw this issue. Because it reminds me so much of pre-accident ValuJet and that makes me very, very nervous," said John Goglia, a former member of the National Transportation Safety Board.
Unions representing both pilots and mechanics say old planes and scrimping on maintenance make flying Allegiant like playing Russian roulette.
Unions representing both pilots and mechanics say old planes and scrimping on maintenance make flying Allegiant like playing Russian roulette.
"If you continue to run an airline and not put money into maintenance, eventually you're gonna get into a situation that you can't recover from," said Moore.
https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/allegiant
Never even had a hint of an engine problem or any dangerous mechanical issues in a decade at this company.
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02-27-2016 | 11:02 AM
#1512
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From: A320 FO
Heard from some people in training that Ric came in for some Q and A and people questioned him pretty hard. When one asked, "do you really think it will be 2.5/6?" He responded, "Did I say 2.5? I think I said 3." 
That's not helping anyone's trust level. But... Supposedly more "good news" coming next week to keep that "momentum" building...
Bets on what the news will be?
Excercising the options?
Taking back planes from Expressjet? TSA? Compass?
Something relating to Reublic's recent bankruptcy filing?
300 upgrayyyyyyyydes?!?!?!
That's not helping anyone's trust level. But... Supposedly more "good news" coming next week to keep that "momentum" building...Bets on what the news will be?
Excercising the options?
Taking back planes from Expressjet? TSA? Compass?
Something relating to Reublic's recent bankruptcy filing?
300 upgrayyyyyyyydes?!?!?!
I believe the good news is the vacancy bid. And no, don't expect 300 upgrades.
02-27-2016 | 06:34 PM
#1515
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Not the vacancy bid. I'm having fantastical visions that they announce the reopening of the Miami base with Envoy taking AAG's 175's from Republic. Man the beds in Bedford make me have crazy dreams. I don't want to wake up.
02-27-2016 | 08:36 PM
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Don't wake up. Cuz when you do, it will be the announcement of six day trips, guarantee dropped to 12 hours, parking all jets, and bringing the Shorts out of retirement.
02-28-2016 | 05:27 AM
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My only concern with you and your handler eaglefly is that you don't work for envoy. I have a problem with all pilots who don't work for envoy coming here to push an agenda and trash a company they don't work for. I have no problem with an actual envoy pilot complaining about things or highlighting the negative aspects of the company. I am not all "rainbows and butterflies" when it comes to this company, but there are so many former employees and people, like yourself, that work for other regionals beating the negativity drum, I don't have to.
Think of it like this. I torment my younger brother without mercy. But I will not stand for another person bullying or attacking him. I will pound that person into oblivion. For instance, I have not said a thing about AdiosMikeFox's comments/compliants about envoy, because he actually works here with a vested interest in the company. He has the right to complain. You do not.
What is the expressions? "America Either Love it or Leave it" I have no problem with criticism or complaint. But I do have a problem with offensive attempts to tear down. Whether it is my country, my company or my family. You either pitch in and help make it a better place or you can move on. My biggest problem with eaglefly is that after he no longer had any use for envoy, he has attempted to destroy with company. You never heard a word out of him about envoy and the flow until he no longer depended on it.
ag386, if you spent as much time and effort just trying to make PDT a better place as you do, trying to tear down other company's, you would be a much better person, liked by your peers instead being the butt of their jokes.
02-28-2016 | 05:55 AM
#1518
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From: A320 FO
LOL. I appreciate your humor. I think that's all we have left to get us through every trip through hell. (work)
02-28-2016 | 06:04 AM
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From: A320 FO
Indeed.
I heard it was a mix of DFW and ORD and they will backfill. But that's just a rumor.
I am also hoping that, like last time, the 50 is an understatement. Something more like 75-80 upgrades? Only one way to find out.
02-28-2016 | 07:35 AM
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
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