You can size up Envoy by meeting our CEO, he is unable to say a full sentence in English. For those of you have never seen, heard, or met our CEO, that is not a joke. He cannot speak English.

 

You're demanding I tone down emotion ?

LOL !

Considering all the insults and personal attacks I am constantly under siege against, that's funny. Actually, just a few days ago, your group was all giddy because they thought I actually cried. I think your group needs to practice what it preaches, if this is your new position.

Please.

...and truly, I hope you're not crying this time. Now you know how I feel, as I've PASSED my limit with all of you long ago. Stop attacking me and you won't have to worry about emotion as I've found much of what you say to me offensive and obnoxious.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander as if one reviews the history here.......including YOUR history, then the points I made in that post are valid.

 

Please, stop lumping me into some group. Only one person here is actively selling envoy. Call him out. Many here disagree with you but just because me, or anyone else disagrees with you does not make them what you have accused me or anyone else of.

If you HAVE to group people, call us the, I dunno, Eaglefly/Thurstlever disagreers? Challengers? E/TC? Sure. Call me that.

I'm done engaging you. Past few posts you have gone way over the edge from beyond sport internet arguing to full out personal attacks. I do not claim responsibility for others, as I have said - Do not group me, but you have taken it a bit extreme. I encourage you to PM me if you want to sort things out - heck, I'll give you my skype or phone number and we can chat. Cant say I wont quote you again here, but I'm done for now. Others, have at it. Nothing is getting accomplished.

 

Excellent example of my point. Why the multiple identity references all the time ? Answer : Because you believe it to be an irritant to me and you LIKE to irritate me (read some of your past posts on various threads which includes PLENTY of offensive comments). Then, when you become irritated in return, you demand use of a different rule book from me then the one you're using.

It doesn't work that way, my friend. You want consideration as a separate individual then the rock-throwers, then a ACT like a separate individual. I much prefer to discuss (and even disagree) about ISSUES, but cute little personal games like you play just like the others (and face it, you do) only result in similar personal response.

Your choice.

 

Shoot me a PM. I cant access it via your drop down (I can for all other people strangely) to send it first. We'll talk as individuals.

Can you admit you have never played a game? What about when you constantly called the user Cujo665 "Mason"?

 

I admit I was wrong for bashing Envoy,
I admit I'm a looser that spend most of my career at a regional and from now on I will defend my peers at Envoy.

Sorry for being such an eagleflea!! I mean fly!! I mean flea!!!

 

Can you tell me what the latest is on the 2 1/2 year upgrade and 6 year flow? I'm a new hire almost done with training now and in indoc, a guy from management, came in and told us that everything was in motion for us to upgrade in 2 1/2 and flow in 6.

Since then I've been hearing a lot about how this isn't true and that the people flowing over now were hired in 1999 and also that the latest upgrades were hired in 2007. That doesn't really add up to what this guy was telling us. I'm a little disturbed by it and wondering if I maybe made the wrong choice. Compass and Endeavor both had offered me an interview at the time also and I'm a little upset that I didn't even go to the interview now.

 

Yes, yes... You had your chance. We already have one member constantly droning on and repeating himself, we don't need another.

 

Because it WAS the same individual. A known fact, admitted to by the individual.

 

Don't let the naysayers here get to you. You absolutely made the right choice in selecting Envoy for your airline career. As you were likely told throughout the interview process and in training, we are hiring AA pilots from day one. You obviously have the right stuff as you were selected.

The information I have presented here in this thread is exactly what the company plans to do. Things may be tweaked a bit here and there as for operational necessity, but any good and viable business will do this as necessary. For instance, there are some here that are upset that the company metered the flows to 30 last month. That was simply an operational necessity. As more 175's come online, the training pipeline will get backed up and we will need more pilots in the seats of all our aircraft to cover as these first groups get through the 175 training program. We have also been tasked by the company to operate the CRJ-700's through the end of the year and beyond. This too will require additional pilots. As you can see in this case, operational necessity wins.

Originally Envoy had planned to flow 375 pilots through in 2016. This has been tweaked slightly as former furloughed AA pilots have their last opportunity to come back and must make their decision by May. That said, the company still has to true up and current plans are for more than 300 to flow by the end of the year. Since the 6 year flow was planned at "minimum" flows, this gets us exactly where we need to be.

In the end, it's math. Some on here can't add properly or read a projection that the company has published. You will see posts stating that the current flows are 1999 hires. While that's true, it doesn't account for the remaining pilots on the list and factoring in the company's math and projections. If you were hired in January, I would absolutely expect you to be sitting in AA class no later than January of 2022. Actually, looking at the projections, it very well could be the latter half of 2021.

Also, looking at the planned upgrades for 2016, 250, that factors in and works out to be exactly a 2.5 year upgrade for you.

A piece of advice. It's great to get information anywhere you can, but you'll soon realize that here there are some who cannot stand seeing that Envoy is having great success with the flow. They may have taken a long time to upgrade at Envoy and when they see a new guy come on board and upgrade in 2.5 years, it rubs them the wrong way. It shouldn't, as they are flowing as well, but for some reason it doesn't sit well with them.

Just focus on your training and doing the best job that you can. Envoy has a great contract and you will have good quality of life as you move up the seniority ladder and directly into that seat at AA.