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04-25-2016, 01:18 PM

#2551

Skyvector

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

Less than two months ago you claimed envoy was flowing 360 in 2016. Do you still wonder why employees don't trust you?

Where do you keep getting this information from? I'm not sure about cr700 but the rest of us have been crystal clear with the numbers and projections from the beginning. In fact, here is a post by Cujo from November 2015:

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Originally Posted by Cujo665

My best estimate for 2016 from their information is they will hire 750 next year. We get 375. They estimate 100-150 furloughs may return. That leaves a worst case next year of 225 flowing. This is 5 more than what's required to prevent stepping up above pay step 12. It also jives with their advertisement of at least 200 upgrades next year.

2017 should be another 375 to flow, but no more recalls; but I bet they will withhold to 30 each month - 360 for the year - and just have to catch up in the aggregate.

That's 600 of our CA's gone in two years by flow to AA. Doesn't include the guys going elsewhere.

It's fair to say we are on track for their 2.5/6 to be a really good estimate.

As you can see, he even states that worst case for 2016 would be 225 flows depending on the number of furloughed AA pilots who return. I've said the same thing. Nobody here is implying anything that is false. On the other hand, you have people like ag386 and eaglefly who have been claiming from the start that the flow will never work. They base their claims on X number of new hires in the past. But now we are getting 25+ new hires. May will be similar if not more from the numbers I saw. So their argument just sunk to the bottom of the sea.

Why don't you ask those two why they have been lying?

04-25-2016, 01:33 PM

#2552

AdiosMikeFox

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Originally Posted by fisherman

What $$$ are you talking about?

New hire signing bonus associated with the extra bump for 121 time.

$5000 signing
Up to $10,000 additional with 121 experience ($10/hour 121)

Per company comm 1 March 16.

04-25-2016, 01:40 PM

#2553

AdiosMikeFox

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Originally Posted by Saabs

What's a letter T pilot? Furlough recall?

Pilots returning to AA having deferred recall. They have to make a decision to return or not by early- to mid-May and notify AA of their decision.

04-25-2016, 01:41 PM

#2554

buddies8

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While the rest get shi+. That's why it .82 til it's dry.

04-25-2016, 02:02 PM

#2555

AdiosMikeFox

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What? The FO's get a nice retention bonus.

CA...well, it'd be nice to get more there too, but not in the cards this time.

04-25-2016, 03:16 PM

#2556

Duct Mon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

New hire signing bonus associated with the extra bump for 121 time.

$5000 signing
Up to $10,000 additional with 121 experience ($10/hour 121)

Per company comm 1 March 16.

Retention bonus and even flow wouldn't entice me to come to Envoy.

04-25-2016, 03:32 PM

#2557

RyanP

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Originally Posted by Duct Mon

Retention bonus and even flow wouldn't entice me to come to Envoy.

Good. Have fun at Mesa. That sounds like a dream job with a great long term future working over there.

Last edited by RyanP; 04-25-2016 at 04:09 PM.

04-25-2016, 03:54 PM

#2558

PilotJ3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

New hire signing bonus associated with the extra bump for 121 time.

$5000 signing
Up to $10,000 additional with 121 experience ($10/hour 121)

Per company comm 1 March 16.

Also for Part 135.

04-25-2016, 04:01 PM

#2559

ag386

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duct Mon

Retention bonus and even flow wouldn't entice me to come to Envoy.

Mesa or Envoy. Either are like taking a poison pill. At Mesa at least you'll be building TPIC more quickly. At Envoy you'll be right seat for much longer in addition to likely being on property for 10 years or more before coming close to "flowing." New hires are required to keep the Ponzi scheme flow going. Right now they will tout they are getting 30 or better per month which is still slightly short of what they need. But it's temporary. By June the new hire classes will start to gradually dwindle down to 15 a month again.

04-25-2016, 04:06 PM

#2560

Eaglepilot84

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Originally Posted by ag386

There you go again, spewing your biased opinion as fact. You hate seeing envoy succeed because it means your decision to leave when things finally started to pick up was the wrong one. Jealousy is a very very ugly trait to have. Good luck at Allegiant!

Btw, I laugh when I think about your poor career decisions and then laugh harder when you come on here and try to give career advise to others. Hilarious!