There aren't "other factors" that control flow rates. It's contractual. If hired today, the maximum wait to flow is 6 years. Realistically, you'll flow in 5 1/2.

 

Whoa there Nelly. There's no "maximum wait to flow" time period. I'm all for getting people in the front door because I think this place finally has a future, but don't be a d-bag and make claims you can't back up. Yes flow will likely be roughly 6 years but there's nothing guarnteed about that statement. It's just an educated guess.

 

Ric is that you???

 

I'll agree with you that in the current state of affairs it looks like 6 years average new hire to flow. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is guaranteed about that timeframe. Cr700 is a flat out propagandist and LIAR. He knows he is spewing lies but just doesn't care: as long as he can keep duping new hires in the door and keeps his cushy desk job, everyone else be damned.

What can change the flow? The same things that changed the flow time for the guys who have served 16 years at Eaglevoy and are finally flowing right now:
- A terrorist attack
- Economic downfall, to include rising fuel
- Unable to hire replacements, causing the company to violate the contract(yep they did it before).
- Natural Disasters
And a litany of other reasons. As soon as one happens, the same conscience-less big mouth will be saying "but but we couldn't control these things!".

Meanwhile, you just got hired at one of the worst quality of life regionals out there and your "time served" just became unknown.

All of this could happen just as much as you could flow in 6 years.

 

Agreed, and coming to envoy isn't for everyone. For those who live in or close to dfw/ord I think it's a good place to go. Quality of life when you're in or close to base is not bad at all but the further you live, the worse it is. All things considered it's not a bad place if you're young enough to wait out the flow.

 

You've got FO's on reserve for 4 years now.

 

I'm less then a year and a half and have a line. So 4 year fo's is by choice. Why not fly 15 hours and get paid for 80+ with a little ot pick up.

 

Wrong. August '15 hires are holding lines in ORD. The shrinking and stagnation period is over, for now.

We've got issues here, schedules and reserve rules need to be improved, as a start. But it's a lot better now than it was last year. I expect that trend to continue as long as the shortage of pilots pressures management to value the employees they have more.

 

Well he isn't wrong that there 4 year FO's in fact there's some 7 or 8 year fos too. However, it is by choice. Being home nearly every night is a major bonus to senior reserve. Make what you can out of this place and it's not bad at all.

 

Hell, I live in DFW and I'm based in ORD. It still isn't great until you sacrifice your personal life for x number of years until you can hold DFW. You can thank AAG for their personal choice regarding the matter.