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Old 04-26-2016, 03:38 PM
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I'm not going to quote any long posts for the sake of brevity. But what I find wrong with many of these grand predictions of doom and gloom, is most folks assume regional pilots will continue to be treated badly in the future. They are taking the current paradigm of how regional pilots are treated, and assuming nothing will change.

I believe a shift is already taking place and will continue, where regional pilots are valued much more by their mainline partners. We've already seen incremental increases, which on their own aren't much, but taken together, show a trend.

Things will only get better at the wholly owned regionals. Their mainline partners have deep pockets and will do what it takes to keep their planes in the air. Stopping the flow would temporarily keep more planes in the air, but would be a disastrous long term strategy. AAG knows this, and will do what it takes to meet their obligations.

Independent regionals may have a different path. They will have to negotiate their way forward. And although their lift is valuable, it can be more difficult to guarantee stability. It will be very interesting to see what Republic looks like at the end of their bankruptcy. It could be the first one of many, where pilots are not harmed, because they are too valuable to the future of the operation.


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Old 04-26-2016, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by adspilot View Post
Looks like reserve time for new hires in the 175 will be a couple months if the keep hiring into the 175.
RSV time will definitely be very short for new hires into the 175 due to our contract not allowing other FO's to bid it and the fleet going from currently 9 or so, to 40 aircraft. New hires could be bidding very senior by next year on the 175 if things stay as they are.

Currently the flow plan has (16) current senior E175 FO's upgrading to CA starting classes in May-SEP, so they will be leaving it. There isn't many FO's on that fleet to begin with. Plus a bunch of the remaining senior FO's on it are about to upgrade, probably on the next big vacancy moving people up the list even more. Some of them can hold CA already. They are Probably just waiting for what they want to open up or waiting to build a little seniority first. That fleet will have VERY rapid advancement in relative seniority bidding for any FO on it unless there is another displacement bid. Same as the CRJ did years ago with new hires holding lines while E145 FO's were on reserve for years.

Even as a Captain, my relative seniority on the E175 is about 10X better than it is on the 145 for line bidding purposes after this last bid and only getting better with more aircraft coming in every month. Since most CA's can't bid it due to seat locks and the Flow, you had to displace into it to be safe.

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Old 04-26-2016, 04:17 PM
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RSV time will definitely be very short for new hires into the 175 due to our contract not allowing other FO's to bid it and the fleet going from currently 9 or so, to 40 aircraft.

Currently the flow plan has (16) current senior E175 FO's upgrading to CA starting classes in May-SEP, so they will be leaving it. There isn't many FO's on that fleet to begin with. Plus a bunch of the remaining senior FO's on it are about to upgrade, probably on the next big vacancy moving people up the list even more. Some of them can hold CA already. They are Probably just waiting for what they want to open up or waiting to build a little seniority first. That fleet will have VERY rapid advancement in relative seniority bidding for any FO on it unless there is another displacement bid. Same as the CRJ did years ago. New hires holding lines while E145 FO's on reserve for years.

Even as a Captain, my relative seniority on the E175 is about 1000X better than it is on the 145 for line bidding purposes after this last bid and only getting better with more aircraft and more aircraft coming in every month.
I really hope there is a vacancy displacement coming in a few months when they expand the 175 to ORD. If that doesn't happen and I see new hires holding lines with weekends off before I get off reserve I'll be raising hell.
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:23 PM
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I really hope there is a vacancy displacement coming in a few months when they expand the 175 to ORD. If that doesn't happen and I see new hires holding lines with weekends off before I get off reserve I'll be raising hell.
May as well start ranting. It's already happened in the past when the CRJ's came to NY. That's your crappy Envoy contract.
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:30 PM
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I really hope there is a vacancy displacement coming in a few months when they expand the 175 to ORD. If that doesn't happen and I see new hires holding lines with weekends off before I get off reserve I'll be raising hell.
Rick Wilson made it sound like they may not be going to ORD anymore last week. It's up in the air now, The other 20 may be going to MIA to re-open a base there. (It's not confirmed) but that is what he said to the group in the Q&A at the training center. Republic situation is causing a lot of problems with AAG supposedly. I know we have almost 40 lines of flying there for May.

Trust me, it sucks for those affected and stuck in the 145. I was in the same boat years ago. I was an FO on the 145 holding garbage, while new hires were holding nice weekend off lines on the CRJ with basically zero reserve time. It happened again in 2013-2014 for CA and FO. I could hold a CRJ CA line and so could the new hires I was flying with, while people senior to me by YEARS were still on EMB RSV. Just the way it is with our contract. This is why people "proffer to displace".

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Old 04-27-2016, 06:34 AM
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So when is reserve going to be fixed? It seems the current plan is to leave it up to the arbitrator. When is his decision suppose to come down? I get we all have to be on reserve sometime or another but when it comes down to years with no relative movement insight things need to change and change quick. It's been over a year since we had some sort of temporary LOA that concerned SEC 12 that got dumped after a shake up of our NC. Are we even close to getting some sort of LOA now? This single issue has caused more problems in my family life than anything this airline has thrown at me.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:44 AM
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So when is reserve going to be fixed? It seems the current plan is to leave it up to the arbitrator. When is his decision suppose to come down? I get we all have to be on reserve sometime or another but when it comes down to years with no relative movement insight things need to change and change quick. It's been over a year since we had some sort of temporary LOA that concerned SEC 12 that got dumped after a shake up of our NC. Are we even close to getting some sort of LOA now? This single issue has caused more problems in my family life than anything this airline has thrown at me.
Not sure what you consider "relative movement" but moving up 45 spots on the reserve list over the next 35 days is going to be nice. Now with the company using the 175 as a recruiting tool, the CRJs staying longer, and the 145 pilots getting placed in ORD then I see more stagnation before I see any movement.

But to answer your first question - it looks like we won't have anything happen before the arbitrator rules. Also, I'm hearing the NC is a little anemic with respect to negotiations.
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Old 04-27-2016, 07:27 AM
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I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.

So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
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Old 04-27-2016, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron View Post
I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.

So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
This has been beaten like a rented mule (and I'm sure will continue to be). Some will convince you these claims are realistic and others will question that with the belief the math is way to fuzzy. Bottom line is that no one can guarantee you anything (even a little) in this regard and you'll be rolling the dice.

It could be box cars or snake eyes. Good luck !
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Old 04-27-2016, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron View Post
I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.

So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
Have you tried for Spirit? DFW base and the pay and retirement blow Envoy away. Coming in on the bottom of Envoy I would be very skeptical of the flow claims.
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