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#2611
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,205
I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
But, if you want to do it, be aware that 25 of the 26 guys hired Monday are going to the E175, they will be Sr for some time there. Once the last E-175 line holder gets into property, the guys on RSV will be there for long time. Also, nobody knows if there will be a Displacement Bid on the future and other FOs bump the guys in the 175 out of their seats. With the talks of opening a MIA base, they will need to move pilots around the system.
That could send those new E-175 FOs to the E145/CRJ ORD, and add their names to the commuter list.
Now in the other hand, we don't know what will happen with the Flow. It could take you 6yrs to get to AA or it could take the rest of your last 23yrs if your career. If you get to AA in 6yrs = 17yrs in AA, probably initially based in JFK or MIA (back to commuting again for some time). Even if it takes you 10yrs, you still have 13yrs making good money.
If I were new to the airlines or been about 1-2 yr regional pilot, I would definitely look at envoy. But 15yrs in, that's a though decision.
#2613
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
But, if you want to do it, be aware that 25 of the 26 guys hired Monday are going to the E175, they will be Sr for some time there. Once the last E-175 line holder gets into property, the guys on RSV will be there for long time. Also, nobody knows if there will be a Displacement Bid on the future and other FOs bump the guys in the 175 out of their seats. With the talks of opening a MIA base, they will need to move pilots around the system.
That could send those new E-175 FOs to the E145/CRJ ORD, and add their names to the commuter list.
"IF" we get a MIA base and the next 20 go there (big "IF"), a bunch of the guys on the 175 I know actually live that way or still live in FL, since many of the 175 pilots are recently displaced out of NY and MIA, that is how they got into it in the first place. So they would just bid MIA voluntarily anyway, letting the people who wanted to stay in DFW stay.
#2615
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
I think the upgrade/flow numbers are getting to be more realistic for someone hired today. When those numbers were introduced a year ago, it was pre-mature and not realistic yet. You can look up my post history and see the numbers posted of why I think so, based on how many we have to get through, and our hiring gaps, we have years with basically nobody hired which will jump the timeframe up when they are hit. 2001-2004 gap, 2012-2014, very little hiring. I have also posted the flow charts and numbers we have actually sent to AA if you want to look those up. Nothing is 100% guaranteed in this industry, as you know, but the flow has been moving 30/guys a month consistently now (877 guys have flowed since it started up again, despite all the doubters arguing against it on here), and the flow will pick up to full speed again after AA is done with their recalls after the Summer.
Is Xjet leaving DFW? I know they moved you guys over to the other side, but didn't know if you were leaving the base completely.
#2616
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 299
I am a 15 yr CA on the LASA side of XJT. I am based at DFW and do not commute cuz the wife and I are from here. If our base closes at DFW next year I have no desire to commute for this place again. I've already had my DFW base close on me once before.
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
So from what I read on here, y'all are hiring into the 175 and reserve time is short at DFW and will probably get shorter. So is the 2.5 upgrade and flow within 6 years realistic for somebody in my situation? I still have 23 years left and am trying to be patient but have no desire to commute for this airline again!!
#2618
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Position: The right seat
Posts: 257
Thanks for all the info. Mgt says they want to keep the AA flying at Dfw but they add the "we have to be able to staff it" caveat. They are basically terrified of ****ing delta off and having a repubic situation happen. So nothing official. Just trying to get plan B ready here cuz I don't want to do the atl commute ever again.
Thought about spirit but I read on their board that they have probably already hired their last captain unless a large order for aircraft is placed. Plus, id hate to be at the bottom of that list if another 9/11 or Great Recession hit. At least here there are about 1100 below me. Or God forbid they were to close shop at Dfw.
SWA would b good and my stuff is in. But at this point, it's gonna b like winning the lottery to get noticed there.
I figure envoy will always have a Dfw base. So that's one of the benefits for me. The difficulty would be the huge hit on pay.
Thought about spirit but I read on their board that they have probably already hired their last captain unless a large order for aircraft is placed. Plus, id hate to be at the bottom of that list if another 9/11 or Great Recession hit. At least here there are about 1100 below me. Or God forbid they were to close shop at Dfw.
SWA would b good and my stuff is in. But at this point, it's gonna b like winning the lottery to get noticed there.
I figure envoy will always have a Dfw base. So that's one of the benefits for me. The difficulty would be the huge hit on pay.
#2619
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Qualified to carry liquids through security.
Posts: 771
Thanks for all the info. Mgt says they want to keep the AA flying at Dfw but they add the "we have to be able to staff it" caveat. They are basically terrified of ****ing delta off and having a repubic situation happen. So nothing official. Just trying to get plan B ready here cuz I don't want to do the atl commute ever again.
Thought about spirit but I read on their board that they have probably already hired their last captain unless a large order for aircraft is placed. Plus, id hate to be at the bottom of that list if another 9/11 or Great Recession hit. At least here there are about 1100 below me. Or God forbid they were to close shop at Dfw.
SWA would b good and my stuff is in. But at this point, it's gonna b like winning the lottery to get noticed there.
I figure envoy will always have a Dfw base. So that's one of the benefits for me. The difficulty would be the huge hit on pay.
Thought about spirit but I read on their board that they have probably already hired their last captain unless a large order for aircraft is placed. Plus, id hate to be at the bottom of that list if another 9/11 or Great Recession hit. At least here there are about 1100 below me. Or God forbid they were to close shop at Dfw.
SWA would b good and my stuff is in. But at this point, it's gonna b like winning the lottery to get noticed there.
I figure envoy will always have a Dfw base. So that's one of the benefits for me. The difficulty would be the huge hit on pay.
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