RyanP

No, the question is WHY IN THE HELL DO YOU CARE? What is your obsession with making doomsday predictions for this place you don't work at?

ag386

I agree with you on one point. The regional sector is in deep doo doo. That's for sure.

I don't agree that pilots are going to be flocking to Envoy. One, management is too stupid to really fix the problem. Adding more band aids until the wound ruptures and the patient dies is their chosen course of action as proved over and over in the past.

There aren't enough pilots out there in total right now to fill the numbers Envoy needs going forward if this flow is really going to work as advertised. They picked up a few extra with this latest gimmick of bonuses and it appears that they are now all in with Part 91 pilots as well. It's definitely a sign that things are getting desperate in the hunt for cheap labor to staff AA's regional feed. Next month, they might get a few extra with the extension of bonuses to Part 91 guys, but that isn't going to last. By July or August at the latest, the hiring numbers per month will again be in the teens.

Envoy is going to flow out the 824 and at that point you will likely see a "re-adjustment" from the company. The union will work hand in hand with management to bring you this "enhancement" to the flow. For a lesser percentage of the flow with an "at the company's discretion" disclaimer thrown in, you might see some relaxation of the reserve rules, a slight bump in pay and maybe a Miami base and better commutability with the lines.

ag386

I know. He doesn't even work here. Doesn't make sense does it?

AdiosMikeFox

Too many people trying to predict absolutes. If the last 6 years have been any indication, subscribing to those predictions is going to leave one disappointed.

eaglefly

I agree AAG has several options, but without 35-40 pilots each and every month going forward, Envoy doesn't.

Without those pilots and consistantly, Envoy will shrink.

RyanP

As long as places like Skywest are hiring 60-70+ a month and 800 over the last year there is PLENTY of new hires out there. This shortage is not as dire as people claim.

AAG will just have to do what it takes to attract them. 2 centrally located bases isn't a very good start for most people. Neither is the past couple years of negativity. Things have turned for the better this year though, lots of positive news for once around here since January, and apparently something they are doing is starting to work because 35 new hires came here this month. This is the highest it has been by far in several years and only 1 short of Endeavor for the month. (Which pays substantially more with their bonuses). Actually we would be tied with Endeavor for the month if that guy that walked out talked to someone before walking out. His base choice would have been accommodated.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-regional.html

adspilot

Looks like reserve time for new hires in the 175 will be a couple months if the keep hiring into the 175.

PilotJ3

Part 91 (k) is not every part 91 pilot.

Thats ok, you also work for a desperate airline.

SkyWago

The "junkie" analogy is not really true because so many of us at ENY are so underutilized.

I mean i am not anywhere near the top on reserve and have flown 25 hrs for april. That is it. So many lines are under credit still. Getting more flying back right now should make our schedules better. So the needing EVEN MORE pilots right now then predicted isn't really true but the more the better and merrier.

(That is if the flying coming back is midday blocks. That is really where we are getting hosed from and need improvement )

atpcliff

Talked to a SkyWest capt a couple of weeks ago. He said the bottom 1/3 of their list is continuous churn...guys leaving for other regionals, guys coming in from other regionals...a revolving door. Not many new hires coming in with new ATP licenses....