New Envoy Information
03-01-2016, 11:49 AM
#1591
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Sure when you finally get to AA. I know, I know......6 years (with no real math and grand assumptions to back it up.)
Shaky LCC? JB? How do you even take yourself seriously.
Shaky LCC? JB? How do you even take yourself seriously.
03-01-2016, 11:52 AM
#1592
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Metering in itself is not a violation of the contract.
03-01-2016, 12:13 PM
#1594
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I think you should go with your gut, you said you gut feeling was to run with the offer I would say do it. Everyone I know who works for JetBlue absolutely loves it, and won't be going anywhere else. Either way its a roll of the dice, its a gamble to stay and wait to flow just as much as it is to progress your career and go with JetBlue. If you could drive to work, I don't think you would ever regret it.
Also, lets assume things stay constant and assume a four year upgrade at B6 or a 4-5 year flow to AA as you stated. In four years at B6 you would be a junior capt, making around 189 a hour, and able to sell back 9.5 hours a month at 1.5% or an extra 32,319 on top of your base salary! Or you hang out at envoy, wait for the flow and make 80ish per hour on reserve at AA the same year you could be making around 200k at JetBlue at min guarantee and PTO sell back. The icing on the cake would be driving to work.
To me its a no brainer, run to JetBlue. In full discloser I left envoy to start at an ULCC after 2 years and 10 months. Good luck to you!
Also, lets assume things stay constant and assume a four year upgrade at B6 or a 4-5 year flow to AA as you stated. In four years at B6 you would be a junior capt, making around 189 a hour, and able to sell back 9.5 hours a month at 1.5% or an extra 32,319 on top of your base salary! Or you hang out at envoy, wait for the flow and make 80ish per hour on reserve at AA the same year you could be making around 200k at JetBlue at min guarantee and PTO sell back. The icing on the cake would be driving to work.
To me its a no brainer, run to JetBlue. In full discloser I left envoy to start at an ULCC after 2 years and 10 months. Good luck to you!
03-01-2016, 12:16 PM
#1595
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I would be leaving under the terms of staying at JetBlue until retirement. My concern with the flow is that of everyone who truly understands it. It can and for all purposes should slow down this summer with the final return of the furloughes. Right now I'm looking at 3-4 years however that will change after May. By how much no one knows. Let's say it adds 6 months. Now I'm at 3.5-4.5 years before flow, still not terrible but being a New englander that's a long time for a guaranteed commute by airplane appossed to driving to work at JetBlue(BOS-JFK JR bases) And at the end of the day going to JetBlue will not cut me off from a chance in the near future at either big 3, so all tho I will be leaving on the hope to stay until retirement - it's not an ultimatum. Obviously it is weighing on me and I do appreciate the advice offered thanks.
(Let's see how this vacancy bid turns out. That could be the final straw either way)
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I think you should go with your gut, you said you gut feeling was to run with the offer I would say do it. Everyone I know who works for JetBlue absolutely loves it, and won't be going anywhere else. Either way its a roll of the dice, its a gamble to stay and wait to flow just as much as it is to progress your career and go with JetBlue. If you could drive to work, I don't think you would ever regret it.
Also, lets assume things stay constant and assume a four year upgrade at B6 or a 4-5 year flow to AA as you stated. In four years at B6 you would be a junior capt, making around 189 a hour, and able to sell back 9.5 hours a month at 1.5% or an extra 32,319 on top of your base salary! Or you hang out at envoy, wait for the flow and make 80ish per hour on reserve at AA the same year you could be making around 200k at JetBlue at min guarantee and PTO sell back. The icing on the cake would be driving to work.
To me its a no brainer, run to JetBlue. In full discloser I left envoy to start at an ULCC after 2 years and 10 months. Good luck to you!
(Let's see how this vacancy bid turns out. That could be the final straw either way)
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I think you should go with your gut, you said you gut feeling was to run with the offer I would say do it. Everyone I know who works for JetBlue absolutely loves it, and won't be going anywhere else. Either way its a roll of the dice, its a gamble to stay and wait to flow just as much as it is to progress your career and go with JetBlue. If you could drive to work, I don't think you would ever regret it.
Also, lets assume things stay constant and assume a four year upgrade at B6 or a 4-5 year flow to AA as you stated. In four years at B6 you would be a junior capt, making around 189 a hour, and able to sell back 9.5 hours a month at 1.5% or an extra 32,319 on top of your base salary! Or you hang out at envoy, wait for the flow and make 80ish per hour on reserve at AA the same year you could be making around 200k at JetBlue at min guarantee and PTO sell back. The icing on the cake would be driving to work.
To me its a no brainer, run to JetBlue. In full discloser I left envoy to start at an ULCC after 2 years and 10 months. Good luck to you!
03-01-2016, 12:16 PM
#1596
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I've likely been here longer than you kiddo; my time has come and gone. I'll be damned if I'm going to let immoral liars like yourself ruin kids lives though.
Shaky LCC? You either live in a box or pay no attention to the financials of other airlines. JetBlue is one of the most sturdy major airlines out there.
"Truly a lateral move". That statement keeps coming out. Did your mommy in marketing tell you to keep this line going whenever pressured, Marco Rubio? Because it doesn't float. A 3 year FO at Envoy makes $40/hr and most likely flies an E145 to Lawton Oklahoma. A 3 year FO at JetBlue makes $103/hr and likely flies an A320/321 to Aruba. Hey but keep on spewing nonsense. It makes you look absolutely stupid.
The rest of your post is just dangling the flow as a carrot: a flow that has 16 year eagle CAs going right now that we're told 16 years ago they would flow in 3 years. There is NO guarantee that FOs here will actually flow to AA. Dic(head) wilson already said they plan to keep metering the flow, in clear violation of the contract, which will bring this years flow rate below 50%. I'm sure you management lackeys will spin that by just stating the overall flow rate since it started, all the way up to the moment that goes below 50%, and then you'll find some other way to distract.
The bottom line is you are trying to sell an old stale carrot to get poor unsuspecting kids to stay/come here and work their butts off with little pay, a broken reserve system, and 11-12 days off a max for years. I've been here well over 20 and I can barely hold above that.
Shaky LCC? You either live in a box or pay no attention to the financials of other airlines. JetBlue is one of the most sturdy major airlines out there.
"Truly a lateral move". That statement keeps coming out. Did your mommy in marketing tell you to keep this line going whenever pressured, Marco Rubio? Because it doesn't float. A 3 year FO at Envoy makes $40/hr and most likely flies an E145 to Lawton Oklahoma. A 3 year FO at JetBlue makes $103/hr and likely flies an A320/321 to Aruba. Hey but keep on spewing nonsense. It makes you look absolutely stupid.
The rest of your post is just dangling the flow as a carrot: a flow that has 16 year eagle CAs going right now that we're told 16 years ago they would flow in 3 years. There is NO guarantee that FOs here will actually flow to AA. Dic(head) wilson already said they plan to keep metering the flow, in clear violation of the contract, which will bring this years flow rate below 50%. I'm sure you management lackeys will spin that by just stating the overall flow rate since it started, all the way up to the moment that goes below 50%, and then you'll find some other way to distract.
The bottom line is you are trying to sell an old stale carrot to get poor unsuspecting kids to stay/come here and work their butts off with little pay, a broken reserve system, and 11-12 days off a max for years. I've been here well over 20 and I can barely hold above that.
You are just absolutely wrong on so many points above. Seriously, you would recommend an FO hired here last year go to JetBlue, when he or she is only a few years away from a lifetime career at AA?
That's unbelievable. Do you know how much money they would leave on the table in doing so? Depending on their age, it could be near 1 million dollars. Plus, they would work for AA, not some LCC.
I stand by my assertion. For an Envoy FO, going to Jetblue, Virgin, Spirit is a LATERAL move. An Envoy CA to Blue is a DOWNGRADE.
03-01-2016, 12:28 PM
#1598
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Originally Posted by Jvw700
How much do you think Envoy management is paying this dude to post on APC?
He just keeps spitting out the same thing over and over and over.
03-01-2016, 12:51 PM
#1600
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Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
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I'm downgrading my estimate of cr700's value. The fact that he's actually bothered to return and post here, the lack of nuance in any of his replies and adherence to the repetition of unattainable numbers is making him a troll, not a GSW desk jockey. The total unwillingness to fill in the blanks to paint a more clear picture for new hires is telling, and skirting the proper channels to release or discuss company matters as a manager is strictly verboten.
So, he's just another APC poster - and probably an alt for an existing member here used to stir the pot. Give his opinion due weight.
So, he's just another APC poster - and probably an alt for an existing member here used to stir the pot. Give his opinion due weight.
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