New Envoy Information
03-01-2016, 01:01 PM
#1601
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by cr700
Why haven't you flowed then?
You are just absolutely wrong on so many points above. Seriously, you would recommend an FO hired here last year go to JetBlue, when he or she is only a few years away from a lifetime career at AA?
That's unbelievable. Do you know how much money they would leave on the table in doing so? Depending on their age, it could be near 1 million dollars. Plus, they would work for AA, not some LCC.
I stand by my assertion. For an Envoy FO, going to Jetblue, Virgin, Spirit is a LATERAL move. An Envoy CA to Blue is a DOWNGRADE.
You are just absolutely wrong on so many points above. Seriously, you would recommend an FO hired here last year go to JetBlue, when he or she is only a few years away from a lifetime career at AA?
That's unbelievable. Do you know how much money they would leave on the table in doing so? Depending on their age, it could be near 1 million dollars. Plus, they would work for AA, not some LCC.
I stand by my assertion. For an Envoy FO, going to Jetblue, Virgin, Spirit is a LATERAL move. An Envoy CA to Blue is a DOWNGRADE.
I'm too old to flow. My days are numbered.
As for your assertion: I'll help you out a little - I highly doubt the average envoy FO hired last year would have the ability to get hired at JetBlue. I just ran some numbers though.
Using APCs payscales - let's assume Pilot A does a 4 year career at envoy and leaves for JetBlue. He upgraded at envoy and received CA pay for year 4. He then went to JetBlue on the airbus and upgraded on the airbus, taking CA pay on year 4(yes JetBlue is upgrading at year 3 for the foreseeable future). Pilot A finishes his 25 year career at jetBlue(measured from the start of is employment at envoy).
Pilot B drinks the koolaid and does a 6 year stint in envoy prison. Same thing - upgrades on the E145 at year 4 pay. He then goes to AA at 6 years. He is an FO for 10 years(I think I'm being gracious here. Current upgrade is what 17?). He spends 8 years on a narrowbody and goes to a wide body for 2. He received year 11 pay as a narrowbody CA. His last 4 years of 25 are spent as a widebody CA.
Guess how much more pilot B made? $250k. What I didn't include is profit sharing. This year JetBlue paid 2 months worth. American paid none. That tends to almost even it out.
Lots can change in a 25 year career. Right now Pilot A is making $183/hr on year 4 CA pay getting pic, while Pilot B is making year 2 FO pay at AA $116/hr, after doing 2 extra years in envoy jail.
All this for the "promise" of a flow that is proven in the past to never work? A flow of 2.5 and 6 that you and I both know isn't realistic, IF it works.
Go for the SURE thing right NOW. Don't roll the dice on a "promise" from people that care about no one and have zero conscience.
03-01-2016, 01:17 PM
#1602
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
^^^
Don't get stuck here like the rest of us. Many have put in too many years to throw away with flow approaching. As an FO? Enjoy that new career where you never have to read another ENY forum.
Don't get stuck here like the rest of us. Many have put in too many years to throw away with flow approaching. As an FO? Enjoy that new career where you never have to read another ENY forum.
03-01-2016, 01:28 PM
#1605
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
Originally Posted by N927EV
Looks like AAG is finally shelling out the cash. 20k retention bonuses for FOs and new hire FOs with 121 get some cash too.
I expected this kind of joke April 1, not March 1. Seriously is this real?
03-01-2016, 01:37 PM
#1608
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 490
Originally Posted by moon
Envoy rewards pilots with Part 121 experience : EnvoyAir
I expected this kind of joke April 1, not March 1. Seriously is this real?
I expected this kind of joke April 1, not March 1. Seriously is this real?
$2,500 per quarter until 2018.
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