You're in good company.

 

The latest guy to flow is a September 1999 hire. It's gonna take a while to get to your 2011 hire date.

 

I would not be laughing at that Allegiant pilot. We have had a few FOs leave in the past couple of years. I know 3 2011 hires who left in 2014. If they would have stayed, they would be junior line holders commuting half way across the country for uncommutable 4 day trips with 11 days off worth 72 hours.

But they left. After one year making the same they would have at Envoy they upgraded. Now they are making $118,410 a year. Oh and they also live at home and might average 14 days off and 1 overnight a month due to a broken airplane. If they had stayed at Envoy I'll assume they would have upgraded at the end of 2017 (unlikely) but still are on the road 20 nights a month.

Just based off junior line days off and guarantee:

In 2015 their pay is the same it would have been at Envoy but they have 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.

In 2016 they will make 83,880 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.

In 2017 they will make 84,720 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.

At the start of 2018 we'll assume they upgrade at Envoy but now they are on the bottom of the rsv list commuting across the country.

In 2018 they still make 51,660 more at Allegiant than Envoy but now they are home 101 more days and in their own bed 281 more nights.

In 2019 they make 50,700 more at Allegiant.

In 2020 they flow to American but in the 5 years at Envoy they lose out on $270,960, 447 days off 1246 nights in their own bed. And on first year pay at AA they are still making 52,416 less than Allegiant and on the road way more. With that $270,960 that they made at Allegiant if they put that money away in a low risk account with an average 5% return on investment by the time they retire they will have 1,478,183.96.

So who is laughing now?

 

And more twisted facts about how long the flow takes. Some things never change. :roll eyes:

How long WILL it take for a 2011 hire to flow over?

 

And how long does it take for them to overtake allegiant pilots once they're pulling salary from american? Don't forget the automatic retirement contributions made by the company.

What assumptions are you making about the career progression of allegiant pilots?

Your "objective" facts leave out half the story. But it's ok, we're used to it.

 

Allegiant is one unmaintained aircraft crash away from shutting down. With all the major maintenance problems they have daily it is just a matter of time. How do the calculations work out then? Have fun over there. Enjoy your monthly non commutable TDY to BFE.

 

Typical Envoy pilot. Hoping other airlines have a crash and kill people just so they can feel better about themselves.

 

Just based off retirement data from APC I have them upgrading at AA when they hit 50% seniority and upgrading onto the 737. I have them as a CA on the 777 the last 12 years of their career.

Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.

 

How about AAG closing 6 of your bases making you commute from BFE, taking your name, abusing you on reserve, giving you the *******iest schedules possible, charging you with a fatigue, sick or missed assignment for not extending per 117, jacking your pay up and making you fight to get what's owed to you, ********y pay, 12/4. How are any of those things any better than Allegiant?

 

My best guess right now if everything stays good with the economy along with AA metering going forward. About 2020-2021.