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Old 02-24-2016 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
You said AA is hiring 750 in 2016 and envoy will flow 375. We will send 120 flow's JAN-APR. Then zero MAY-JUL as they process the furloughs. That means 255 flows AUG-DEC or 51 a month. That number is not even close to accurate. Fess up your numbers are not even in the realm of possibility.
Not even Ric Wilson is claiming 375 flows this year.....his email earlier this month states "nearly 300"....!
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Old 02-25-2016 | 05:58 AM
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A couple of months ago on this very thread there were more than a handful of ardent Envoy supporters who appeared to have the big picture and who understood the dynamics of the industry. Where did you guys go?

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Old 02-25-2016 | 06:11 AM
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Here's a little bit of good news. It's not much, but it's better than nothing...

Dear Envoy team –

Today, I’m pleased to provide an update to our fleet plan that will increase the number of aircraft operated by Envoy this year.

Bombardier CRJ-700 (CR7) Aircraft

While the ultimate goal is still to have Envoy become an all-Embraer operator, American has advised us that the transfer of CR7 aircraft from Envoy to PSA has been deferred, and we can expect to continue operating all 35 of our existing CR7 aircraft through the end of 2016.

I’m delighted to see all of the positive momentum at Envoy this year and appreciate all of your efforts that make it possible. Our operational performance in recent months has been outstanding and we have much to look forward to in the coming months.

Please continue to work safely, have fun and look out for each other and our passengers.

Thank you,
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Old 02-25-2016 | 06:21 AM
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Unfortunately, I think all that announcement really solidifies is the confirmation that one of Envoy's chief present missions is simply to be the pinch-hitter for other WO's until they get up to speed better and thus will continue in that role. Long-term, this reality doesn't seem to do much for Envoy pilots and does that give MORE or LESS confidence to present and future Envoy pilots about Envoy ?

Although temporarily it might seem good, the job of helping other carriers to become stronger at your expense doesn't seem something to be positive about IMO. I suppose it depends on whether one considers short-term gratification or long-term stability a more important factor is deciding what is positive or not.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by N927EV
Here's a little bit of good news. It's not much, but it's better than nothing...

Dear Envoy team –

Today, I’m pleased to provide an update to our fleet plan that will increase the number of aircraft operated by Envoy this year.

Bombardier CRJ-700 (CR7) Aircraft

While the ultimate goal is still to have Envoy become an all-Embraer operator, American has advised us that the transfer of CR7 aircraft from Envoy to PSA has been deferred, and we can expect to continue operating all 35 of our existing CR7 aircraft through the end of 2016.

I’m delighted to see all of the positive momentum at Envoy this year and appreciate all of your efforts that make it possible. Our operational performance in recent months has been outstanding and we have much to look forward to in the coming months.

Please continue to work safely, have fun and look out for each other and our passengers.

Thank you,
sounds more like a delay until AAG reaches a deal with Air Wisconson or Skywest to take the remainder of the 700s to free up Envoy for more E175s.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty22
sounds more like a delay until AAG reaches a deal with Air Wisconson or Skywest to take the remainder of the 700s to free up Envoy for more E175s.
Doesn't sound like it to me. Just sounds like they're giving PSA a break, as they've been having problems recruiting as well. Pilots want $$ more than a carrot on a stick flow through.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700
I've given you numbers. You call it company propaganda. I'm telling you. The numbers are accurate.

You know what numbers are not accurate? Your pilots paychecks. Every friend of mine still at Eagle gets their paycheck royally under payed ever month. They have to do their own auditing of their scheduled to get paid correctly. This is a fundamental HR FAIL on even the most basic of levels. Who would want to go to work if they aren't getting paid to do it?

This is symptomatic of what the company as a whole has turned into, a showboat of people who don't give a crap anymore doing a half-ass job. I can't get my friends over to the other side fast enough (not that its all daisies here either) because on top of that, Eagle is metering to a minimum in a overstaffed situation.

If you asked me two years ago if Eagle was the place to be, I would say yes. Now I can't recommend it anyone.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Unfortunately, I think all that announcement really solidifies is the confirmation that one of Envoy's chief present missions is simply to be the pinch-hitter for other WO's until they get up to speed better and thus will continue in that role. Long-term, this reality doesn't seem to do much for Envoy pilots and does that give MORE or LESS confidence to present and future Envoy pilots about Envoy ?

Although temporarily it might seem good, the job of helping other carriers to become stronger at your expense doesn't seem something to be positive about IMO. I suppose it depends on whether one considers short-term gratification or long-term stability a more important factor is deciding what is positive or not.
It is good news. This should temporarily help schedules and upgrades. It also means that the quick upgrading scum are done making there moves. Time for AAG to pony up and show WO's the money and QOL they deserve. This will be the only way to attract/retain pilots. In the mean time their pilots are bleeding out to the LCC,ULCC's, and other places. The cost to bring flying in house would be far greater than sweetening the pot at the WO's. The flow and quick upgrade alone will not cut
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Old 02-25-2016 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviatrx
It is good news. This should temporarily help schedules and upgrades. It also means that the quick upgrading scum are done making there moves. Time for AAG to pony up and show WO's the money and QOL they deserve. This will be the only way to attract/retain pilots. In the mean time their pilots are bleeding out to the LCC,ULCC's, and other places
Help schedules ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve schedules that are already among the worst in the industry from most reports ?

Helping upgrades ? Are they ADDING aircraft ? Just how can keeping the same number of aircraft as now for longer improve the upgrade forecast that has already fallen by the wayside regarding 2016 projections ?

I guess we see two different realities. As for someone "ponying up", all I see are the same bandits periodically riding through town working up a #6 on you in the hope you stay instead of leave.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 09:38 AM
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Envoy to operate CRJ-700 fleet longer
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