buddies8

Feel free to crawl back into that cubicle at the sju palace. Envoy sucks on a good day. Your flow us just to maintain cheap labor. You are a company stooge. Simple as that.

buddies8

Feel free to crawl back into that cubicle at the sju palace. Envoy sucks on a good day. Your flow is just to maintain cheap labor. You are a company stooge. Simple as that.

Dacuj

I should flow in 18. Yes, 2006.

Dacuj

Call me a company stooge all you want. I'm keeping things on the positive side. I'll be at American soon and it will have all been worth it.

Just like for the guys coming in now.

Bigpimppilot

2018 is a long way away. What's the possibility of a market downturn before then? If there is a downturn will the bonus continue? How about hiring at AA. At least qol will improve with a downturn right?

Dacuj

If you haven't noticed, the flow has been going strong now for a solid 4 years. It's not going to stop. For one, it's contractual. Secondly, have you even looked at AA's retirement list? The numbers are so large that the flow isn't going to stop....for years.

As for the bonus, I think it's great. AAG is following the market closely and is staying at or above it in all cases. I think they have made some great decisions.

Bigpimppilot

Yes flow has been increasing every year for the last 4 yrs so it's guaranteed to never slow? The flow so far isn't contractual. It's a mediators decision so it's not the same as the protected pilots and later that are contractual. I have looked at their and the industries list of retirements. Did you look at the furlough list or line value at AA during each recession? 500 guys needing to get hired a year sounds huge until you realize they have 15000 on property. They could do just fine not hiring huge numbers for 1 or 2 yrs. yes the bonus is great for new hires, it's ok for guys already on property and I realize they wouldn't be offering it if they didn't have to. They have made some good decisions. I wouldn't say great. Would you also admit they have made some very brash bad decisions as well. Perhaps we can agree lga and mia were just poopy decisions.

Dacuj

Yes, closing LGA and MIA may have been premature. However, the company was planning for RAH to fill the gap in MIA as they needed the 175's for those lucrative routes. As we know, staffing became an issue for RAH and that continued our flying down there.

Let me say this about the current Envoy. We have evolved from the mostly sole feeder to AA to competing with other regionals for flying. Since this transition over the past 4 years, comparing Envoy to all the regionals flying for AA, Envoy is hands down the best. We provide the best product, ontime flights, professional staff in comparison to the other companies.

In a lot of ways we have maintained this special relationship with AAG as we have progressed into the era of competing regionals at American. How, you ask?

We have the best flow in the industry. No other regional comes close.

We are transitioning gradually to an all E175 fleet. This is the top of the line "regional" jet. Everyone knows though that this isn't a real regional jet. The other two WO's fly the regional jets. We fly routes that AA does. In a way, you could see we are a hybrid mainline American. Before you start saying how stupid this is, read the next point.

Which brings me to, we have one interview. It's an AA interview. You interview, hire into Envoy and less than 6 years later you are at American. You don't have to do another interview or a medical. You simply transfer over as you would if you had bid the E175 coming from the E145.

Not a single other "regional" carrier in the U.S. has this. AAG wants it this way. They want a cradle to grave employment opportunity. That way, Envoy gets the best and the brightest out there. Envoy isn't Mesa. We don't "interview" over the phone and the interview isn't easy. It shouldn't be. It's an American Airlines interview.

So, tell me again why you can't be positive about Envoy?

ORDinary

If you truly believed your claim of 360-400 in 2017, then wouldn't you be flowing next year?

ORDinary

Who believes a salesman? Suckers.

Also I know someone who was just junior manned through his 3 off days, connecting his trips with no chance to go home. Again.