Half the schedules are 11 days off. the rest are mostly 12. All four-day trips with only two days off between sequences. 4-2-4-2-4-2. F that! Lost days in the worst places. Many hotels are very substandard. You wouldn't catch AA staying at 90% of the places we have to.

With two days off, if you finish late on day four and can't commute home, you're stuck until the next day so you'll have ONE day off at home before you have to come back. It is MISERABLE and there is no end in sight. They always say the schedules will get better in 2-3 months and they NEVER do. Lies lies lies...

Schedules and QOL are everything in the airline life. Come for the bonuses if you like but know that ENVOY is a horrible place to work. The atmosphere is very anti-pilot. Crew scheduling are extremely adversarial and combative. They live to make your schedules (your life) a living hell. 100% of swaps, drops and PVDs are denied without given a thought. If you need a day off for a very important reason, tough schitt.

Stay away from this schitthole. Thank god I flow outta here soon. It's miserable.

 

Sounds like you will probably be miserable at AA as well.

 

Oh? Why would that be? No airport standby, more bases, higher pay, better work rules, not doing 5 leg days all the time, schedules improve as you move up in seniority...

There's no hope of getting better schedules here as you move up, ENY's schedules stink. Top to bottom. Even being senior gets little benefit other than top crappy line with some days off you want. I'm about 1/3 down the list, and the only reason my line is tolerable is because it's commutable so I don't lose more days off at home. Forget days off I want. That's where the bar is set.

I think AA is significantly better. I'll tell you next year.

 

Why can't Envoy build at least 18 h 4-day trips (not even with 5 leg days)? Have the more productive good credit flying been given away? Is it the same unproductive built schedule on every platform?
18 H*4 trips should give you a pretty good schedule. Why can Mesa have that on the AA side but not Envoy?

 

I love the post above, someone says avoid envoy it's awful then says thank god for the flow they are going soon. Ha!

The flight file changes are coming Jan 1st.

Also having ny and soon mia back as based will help ord and dfw tremendously.

 

That's because Mesa is cheaper labor than Envoy. The day turns go to the lowest bidder. The expensive labor gets the overnights with 30+ hours. AAG has long made that business decision.


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Just had a buddy give his two weeks to CPO. He hasn't even been here a year yet.


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Thanks highflyer, didn't know that.
I thought AAG would priorities WO pilot QOL for retention purpose, and give the non productive flying to nonWO.

 

Well it's true, the only good thing about envoy is leaving envoy.

 

I've talked to a few FOs who were considering that. Just at a breaking point with these schedules/short staffing/junior manning/bullying. Wish it were not the case.