Not what he meant. What he's saying is that the upward movement from relatively junior to relatively senior on that jet should be faster due to the more senior FO's who fly it upgrading up and out. Senior FO's moving up and out means upward movement up the FO list on that jet, leading to potentially better quality of life.

 

Exactly. I've been in this business for 16 years, I know how it works. I will upgrade when my number says I can. With all of the upgrades coming off off the ERJ and CR7, it is logical to me that my position seniority will improve faster on those aircraft due to the upgrades coming from them as opposed to the 175 which is all new hires so there is little movement from above.

 

^^^^^^This guy gets it

 

Just to clarify.. The 175 isnt "all" new hires. There is still quite a few more mid to senior FO's on it. I dont have a list in front of me to say exact numbers.. But a lot of our current guys bid/displaced into it initially. After "that" its been all new hires but the others are still there and will be upgrading.

2nd thing is the fleet is only at about 60% of it's planned size and with guy in training scheduled through the end of the year probably staffed to about 70% or so? Just a guess. So if you got in now there would still be a lot of relative movement as its staffed all the way up to 40 acft. You would get a relative bump of about 30% with people below you and about 20-30% from people above you upgrading over the next year. So it would put you somewhere in the middle. 8-10 months from now, you are correct though and getting on the bottom of that list will be much slower moving than the other fleets as there will be no more growth. (That we know of).

But you are better off with ORD anyway so it doesn't really matter.

 

Any chance we can start a new thread to fix all the empty pages, and/or have the mods make separate forums for each regional like the major list?


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I'm not sure how ord will shake out with the current realignment at envoy. Lga just took 150 pilots mostly ord and now we talk about Miami. Also if psa is coming to ord with a base and the 700s go it leaves a much much much smaller ord. That relative seniority theory is gone. Also we are taking deliverers of the 175 so it's still a growing fleet.

 

SkyWest is transitioning around 30 700s from our UA flying over to the AA side for a total of around 37 aiframes I believe since we already had 7 in LAX. A little over half of those planes are going to be based in ORD from what we're told. Not sure how that impacts PSA's potential 700 base plans in Chicago.

 

Just curious, if Envoy is filling up 50 guys a month for the next six months. That's about 300 pilots, will they be needing that many pilots lets say for the next 12 monts (600 pilots)? I'm new at this, so I'm not sure what is the attrition rate or flow rate per year.

 

All indications say 600 for 2017 is the goal and the moves have been made to make it very realistic. They are setup for 25/class and 50/Mo for the next few months. Most likely with the positive feedback loop it won't be hard to continue that indefinitely.

 

We will lose between 450-500+ pilots easily next year through flow and other airline attrition. Flow number alone is predicted at 300 in 2017 by AA right now. We only have around 1700ish active pilots on property so losing around 500 is a big impact. 6+ year upgrades will be ancient history soon.