New Envoy Information
#5261
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What people don't understand is why so much is withheld which brings us back to the tiered system. Link below is how they IRS determines how much to take out of your pay check. PAGE 45 is where you want to go.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf#page20
#5262
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Three days. However you should have more time than that during IOE. You might have a week or so before you start IOE or a long break between IOE trips. Just wait for the call after The checkride. They are pretty flexible and have many people to get through IOE so don't worry about it. They will positive space you to your trip so you don't have to wait around in DFW or ORD.
#5263
When did they tell you that you'd the final offer?
#5264
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Main Cabin
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Anyone know anything about the CFI cadet program, or has gone through it? When should I contact Envoy over it? Is it a good way to earn hours, or would joining with CapeAir, who guarantees 40 "duty hours" (whether that's actual flight hours or total pay time) a week, where I could go from the 500 hours required to apply there to the 1500 required by Envoy in like 6 months if it is actually flight hours. If I've read what info I'vve found correctly on Envoy's website, they offer AA medical, flight, and 401k from when they place you in an academy to teach. Is it the full thing or severely watered down?
Also a question for taller pilots (6'+ how do you fit into the 145? The one time I've flown on one as a passenger I had to pretty much crawl down the aisle into my seat, fortunately I was on the left side of the aircraft and didn't have an overhead bin right above me or I may have had to slouch forwards quite a bit. I'd imagine the cockpit would be a tight fit. The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.
Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ? I'd be a ways out, like a year or more, moving isn't an issue for me, but I think due to the low cost of living I think I'd prefer DFW (Kinda hard for me to be culture shocked, I grew up in the military and when sent overseas at age 6 I was put into a French school while only knowing how to say bonjour, merci, and de rien. For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there. I'd assume the mass majority of new hires get the 145 no matter which base. Would they still be hiring a year on or so? Would the CFI program be a good guarantee to get a foot in the door even if it's slower than going for a part 135?
Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
Also a question for taller pilots (6'+ how do you fit into the 145? The one time I've flown on one as a passenger I had to pretty much crawl down the aisle into my seat, fortunately I was on the left side of the aircraft and didn't have an overhead bin right above me or I may have had to slouch forwards quite a bit. I'd imagine the cockpit would be a tight fit. The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.
Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ? I'd be a ways out, like a year or more, moving isn't an issue for me, but I think due to the low cost of living I think I'd prefer DFW (Kinda hard for me to be culture shocked, I grew up in the military and when sent overseas at age 6 I was put into a French school while only knowing how to say bonjour, merci, and de rien. For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there. I'd assume the mass majority of new hires get the 145 no matter which base. Would they still be hiring a year on or so? Would the CFI program be a good guarantee to get a foot in the door even if it's slower than going for a part 135?
Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
Last edited by A321gal; 10-13-2016 at 09:29 AM. Reason: added extra info
#5265
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Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
#5266
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I'd want it to be perfect, of course. Envoy is definitely my top choice, at least if the CFI program is any good. PSA is second because the only decent domicile is CLT, though I wouldn't mind DAY I don't think. Piedmont is kinda dead last cause Ocean City? Roanoake? Harrisburg? Ok so I'm not a bubbly people person but I do at least like to live in a sizeable city... Philly doesn't count, do't really care to live there. Think I'd rate Endeavor higher than Piedmont tbh cause I really don't care if American is my end target or not (I think I'd kinda prefer Delta, but AA lies out a better path) but I just find NYC, DTW, and MSP more liveable than ROA, PHL, MDT, and SBY.
#5267
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Also a question for taller pilots (6'+ how do you fit into the 145?
The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.
Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ.
For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there.
But I'm 6'2". Getting into and out of the 145 really isn't too bad as long as the seat was left in the full back stowed position. Otherwise it can be a little awkward getting in. Once in the seat it's absolutely fine, lots of room. Loved the aircraft as a pilot. Hated it as a passenger.
CRJ never flew it, but heard it's a tight fit.
E75 is difficult to get in due to the placement of the yoke. Seat really needs the ability to go back 2more inches and it would be perfect.
New hires are getting the 175 and holding lines within 30-60days right now. I would expect some stagnation as all the slots are filled overtime.
If you want DFW, it's currently only 175's and 145's.
ORD is 145 and CRJ
LGA will be 145s.
MIA when/if it opens will also be 145s
If you want the opportunity to get back to the northeast I would take the 145
#5268
(Yes, I hear everyone groaning. sorry to open this can of worms yet again)
#5269
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Can't answer anything in first or third paragraphs.
But I'm 6'2". Getting into and out of the 145 really isn't too bad as long as the seat was left in the full back stowed position. Otherwise it can be a little awkward getting in. Once in the seat it's absolutely fine, lots of room. Loved the aircraft as a pilot. Hated it as a passenger.
CRJ never flew it, but heard it's a tight fit.
E75 is difficult to get in due to the placement of the yoke. Seat really needs the ability to go back 2more inches and it would be perfect.
New hires are getting the 175 and holding lines within 30-60days right now. I would expect some stagnation as all the slots are filled overtime.
If you want DFW, it's currently only 175's and 145's.
ORD is 145 and CRJ
LGA will be 145s.
MIA when/if it opens will also be 145s
If you want the opportunity to get back to the northeast I would take the 145
But I'm 6'2". Getting into and out of the 145 really isn't too bad as long as the seat was left in the full back stowed position. Otherwise it can be a little awkward getting in. Once in the seat it's absolutely fine, lots of room. Loved the aircraft as a pilot. Hated it as a passenger.
CRJ never flew it, but heard it's a tight fit.
E75 is difficult to get in due to the placement of the yoke. Seat really needs the ability to go back 2more inches and it would be perfect.
New hires are getting the 175 and holding lines within 30-60days right now. I would expect some stagnation as all the slots are filled overtime.
If you want DFW, it's currently only 175's and 145's.
ORD is 145 and CRJ
LGA will be 145s.
MIA when/if it opens will also be 145s
If you want the opportunity to get back to the northeast I would take the 145
E75 could be a squeeze, my torso is just a bit longer than average, it's mostly my legs that are far longer than average, could cause a problem. Makes small seat pitches more scary than low headroom honestly. E75 is probably what everyone wants due to the easy transition to the mainline E90s, would I be right to assume? Maybe the 145 could be a better bet.
Not so concerned about staying in the northeast, I'd actually say DFW and ORD are easier to move to as I've relatives and/or friends nearby who I could crash with for a couple weeks while apartment shopping. LGA would be ludicrously expensive and kinda defeats the point of living in a city where you can take the subway to work when none of the airports have it and the LGA AirTrain plan is a "complete mess," according to a friend in the MTA, concerned about the already overcrowded line 7. MIA, well, I went to high school in TPA, I've had enough of Florida I think. Really the only state that I'd actually have some sort of advantage to living in would be Michigan; don't have to update my DL and car reg. As far as I know Detroit is cheap too, but not quite DFW levels of cheap. Friend there says you can find a decent 1 bed place in Irving for like $400, or a nicer one in Dallas for 1K. Is that true?
Makes Endeavor appealing, but I kinda like the idea higher 1st year pay of Envoy/Piedmont/PSA, as well as if that CFI program is any good, I'd be locked in while bridging the 1000+ hour gap.I wouldn't have thought so either; I'd find out if I got a class. It's not so big of a deal to me, honestly, as long as it's roomy enough for me to fit in either the 145 or CRJ I'm fine with those. Might make it a bit uncomfortable if I have to get up to use the loo, shorter segments would help mitigate that a bit.
Last edited by A321gal; 10-13-2016 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Added another quote
#5270
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...this doesn't make sense. you upgrade when your SENIORITY NUMBER can hold it, the equipment you fly is irrelevant when upgrading.
that is why it is very important to get in as soon as you're able and get your seniority!
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