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10-05-2016 | 10:56 AM

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How would waiting cost your flow, besides a couple of months? Don't you just flow when your number comes up regardless or seat or rank? Can Envoy stop the flow?

In a couple of months, there could be 100 people hired ahead of you.

If they are flowing 15 a month by the time that you flow, that extra 100 people in front of you could cost you an extra 6 months.

10-05-2016 | 11:11 AM

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In a couple of months, there could be 100 people hired ahead of you.

If they are flowing 15 a month by the time that you flow, that extra 100 people in front of you could cost you an extra 6 months.

Well if they're only doing 15 a month that's another problem, more like a 10 year flow.

10-05-2016 | 11:19 AM

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Well if they're only doing 15 a month that's another problem, more like a 10 year flow.

The flow is scheduled to decrease in time. Current hires today will not flow at the same rate as the 824 that are flowing now (unless things are renegotiated - which is possible and would be great for your pilot group).

Someone from Envoy can spell it out better than me. I agree with them 100% that if you are planning on going to Envoy, the sooner you get in, the better.

For new hires now, it is something like 5 flows for 480 pilots on property, and then one additional flow for every 125 additional pilots. If there are 1500 pilots on property, that would make the flow around 13 a month (5 + 8).

That is how losing 100 spots could cost you several months.

10-05-2016 | 11:38 AM

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Well if they're only doing 15 a month that's another problem, more like a 10 year flow.

By the time the flow gets to new hires at 15/month there will be far fewer people ahead of you than now. It's still 5 years to flow for new hires at 15/month with current groups going at 30/month.

It's basic math. Just like not sacrificing seniority just to fly a certain plane. I'm not sure if you are trolling or if this is just too complicated for you.

10-05-2016 | 12:07 PM

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If we start filling classes at the rate of 50 per month then the flow time will start spiking. If the flow works as predicted then it's only going to be a quick flow for those who get in at the beginning of the hiring wave.

For example if we hire 45 in one month but only flow 15 per month 5 years from now that one month of hiring could be spaced out over 5 different months. If the most senior guy flows in November and AA doesn't hire in December then the last group would flow in March.

10-05-2016 | 12:11 PM

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The moral of the story is to get in ASAP. Period. The Envoy guys are not trying to scam you here. I am sure that most of them don't like me, but what they are saying is true.

10-05-2016 | 12:18 PM

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Any chance of Envoy losing current flying? Serious question. The CRJs are supposed to go to PSA end of 2017. Where is Piedmont getting their 40'to 80 ERJs, Envoy right? WO shuffle.

That's the goal. Who knows how or when it'll happen? Rumor is CRJs stay until they have an Aspen solution.

10-05-2016 | 01:43 PM

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Any chance of Envoy losing current flying? Serious question. The CRJs are supposed to go to PSA end of 2017. Where is Piedmont getting their 40'to 80 ERJs, Envoy right? WO shuffle.

Considering how many apps we are getting and classes of 25 every 2 weeks, I don't see us losing flying unless they plan on sending extra pilots to AA, which would be better for everyone than keeping or gaining flying.

They finally, after all this time, raised pay, for the express purpose of getting more new hires. We had previously been shrinking for years. They are paying to stop the shrinking, they wouldn't pay otherwise.

10-05-2016 | 02:39 PM

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That's the goal. Who knows how or when it'll happen? Rumor is CRJs stay until they have an Aspen solution.

Its called SKW, they took the LAX ASE and ORD ASE flying, only DFW left and that will soon be SKW.

10-05-2016 | 04:25 PM

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Would any of you nice folks care to tell me how many hours you guys are getting, in excess, of the minimum guarantee per month? I'm trying to think what's best for me to build multi-turbine/multi-jet time. I currently live in the DFW area. Meaning how much extra a month are you guys making from the min guarantee?

I understand the hiring bonus and perks....

I currently have 5000TT, 3400 turboprop(all part 135) and a whopping 28 hours of multi-time.

I have an ATP Single and Multi already and also have a Falcon 20 type rating and a Bachelor's degree.

Any advise would be appreciated and thanks for the help.