New Envoy Information
07-25-2016 | 05:38 PM
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
I am a 5.5 year ENY guy. I am still an FO but have probably had about as easy a path as any FO out there. I was on reserve a month and a half as a new hire and immediately held decent seniority after that in LGA on the CRJ. I enjoy my job and I enjoy the people I work with. Other than the long upgrade, I have had a very cushy and easy career at ENY, so if there is anything close to an unbiased option from an ENY pilot, I am it.
I am also realistic.
Right now we cannot exercise ANY of the 90 175 options due to SCOPE. The 145s returning may be going right back out the door to PDT. Morale is lower than ever, and just when I think it can't get any lower, it drops even more. Pay is poor, even with the bonuses. Second year pay will be a wash or even less than first year pay because of that. The schedules are worse than they have ever been. As a two year FO I was holding 3 on 4 off commutable in LGA. It's been downhill since.
Our flow program may eventually be very good, but right guys from my seniority at PSA or PDT are projected to flow before I do. Our flow projections have fallen short every year.
I feel that all three wholly owned have issues to fix, and if fixed, could be excellent places to work for a few years while waiting on the flow. Envoy has some big problems on its hands and if management was more willing to work with our union leadership, we could get these problems fixed and ENY will again be a desirable place to work.
Unfortunately, for now, it is been needlessly beat on by management and AAG. If the tactics were changed, pay were raised, and schedules made better, it would be an excellent place to work. For now, however, it is very difficult to recommend this airline for a new hire.
07-25-2016 | 06:46 PM
#4262
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LMAO....wow. Jersdawg is exactly correct in what he said.
I've been here over ten years. Our quality of life has degraded greatly since the hostile takeover by US Air. Every single envoy pilot that has flowed says the difference in culture and their treatment is night and day, like going from an abusive relationship to a healthy one.
Management has the ability to fix this airline by raising pay and work rules to industry average at the very least. Instead, they laughted at the union's latest proposal, and send employees onto the message boards to push what can only nicely be called propaganda. Pilots are being harassed by schedulers threatening to give PG codes, legitimate fatigue calls go unpaid, and they STILL refuse to rectify our contract with Part 117. That's not negativity, that's the hard truth.
Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.
Reality: We are losing 10-12 FO's a month to LLC's and majors. We aren't hiring much more than that on an average monthly basis (that stay and complete training). Then, you add in the roughly 10 flows per month right now, plus CA's getting hired elsewhere, and we do not have a net gain of pilots right now. Republic and Skywest are filling classes right now.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Bwhahaha....premiere huh? With the worst pay rates and work rules in the industry? That's funny.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
We were punished for our no vote, and a fair amount of our DFW 145 flying was farmed out to XJET. Part of the reason our schedules are horrendously inefficient right now is because of a lack of midday flying. With 145's being transferred to PDT at a faster rate, our airframe numbers won't change appreciably. We will be able to absorb most of the midday flying between higher line values and lots and lots of extentions and junior-mans most likely. The mere fact of more flying returning to us doesn't generate new-hires out of thin air.
AAG is maxed out on RJ scope. With MD-80's and E-190's being retired, there is simply no way for Envoy to exercise any new E-175 options right now. The only possibility is for existing Republic E-175's to come to Envoy, and the likelihood of this will depend on Republic and AAG's negotiations in their bankruptcy.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry.
At least, until the 824 is through.
Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Upgrades just reached 6 years on the last vacancy bid. I expect I will have been at Eagle/envoy over 11 years when (and if) I flow next year.
It's a nice sentiment, but going to AA is NOT a "department transfer." You keep nothing except your company employee number. Not years of service recognition, NOTHING.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Reality: We are losing 10-12 FO's a month to LLC's and majors. We aren't hiring much more than that on an average monthly basis (that stay and complete training). Then, you add in the roughly 10 flows per month right now, plus CA's getting hired elsewhere, and we do not have a net gain of pilots right now. Republic and Skywest are filling classes right now.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Bwhahaha....premiere huh? With the worst pay rates and work rules in the industry? That's funny.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
We were punished for our no vote, and a fair amount of our DFW 145 flying was farmed out to XJET. Part of the reason our schedules are horrendously inefficient right now is because of a lack of midday flying. With 145's being transferred to PDT at a faster rate, our airframe numbers won't change appreciably. We will be able to absorb most of the midday flying between higher line values and lots and lots of extentions and junior-mans most likely. The mere fact of more flying returning to us doesn't generate new-hires out of thin air.
AAG is maxed out on RJ scope. With MD-80's and E-190's being retired, there is simply no way for Envoy to exercise any new E-175 options right now. The only possibility is for existing Republic E-175's to come to Envoy, and the likelihood of this will depend on Republic and AAG's negotiations in their bankruptcy.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry.
At least, until the 824 is through.
Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Upgrades just reached 6 years on the last vacancy bid. I expect I will have been at Eagle/envoy over 11 years when (and if) I flow next year.
It's a nice sentiment, but going to AA is NOT a "department transfer." You keep nothing except your company employee number. Not years of service recognition, NOTHING.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Management has the ability to fix this airline by raising pay and work rules to industry average at the very least. Instead, they laughted at the union's latest proposal, and send employees onto the message boards to push what can only nicely be called propaganda. Pilots are being harassed by schedulers threatening to give PG codes, legitimate fatigue calls go unpaid, and they STILL refuse to rectify our contract with Part 117. That's not negativity, that's the hard truth.
07-25-2016 | 07:27 PM
#4264
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From: A320 FO
New Envoy Information
Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
^^^^Recruiter
Cue the "Be sure to bid E175, because your life will be 10x better than any other jet driver", in 3...2...1...
07-25-2016 | 08:01 PM
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There's a select group of people on here with way too much time on their hands and way too much anger in their heart. cr700 is definitely one of them.
07-25-2016 | 08:36 PM
#4267
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
All of that being said, I do think that a new hire coming here could do worse. It seems that most regionals treat their employees like trash, so we're not alone. The frontline employees here are great despite our feckless leaders. The training department is very good. It doesn't seem like it would be worth commuting here for our awful schedules, but living local is definitely tolerable if you can do it. And we do have a theoretical flow through for new hires, which is better than not having one. It is not a guarantee, no new hire should treat it as one, but if it works it is obviously valuable. Getting hired off the street somewhere is not a guarantee either, but if you come here you don't have all your eggs in one basket, you can work to get hired elsewhere and possibly have the flow as a back-up. Best of luck.
07-25-2016 | 09:33 PM
#4269
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New to the forum. The new hire hate brought me here. Anyone considering Envoy dont be detered from this forum. Anyone considering Envoy has either never been in the general aviation field the last 2 years or has no idea about the pilot shortage in the country. Coming from flight training and general aviation there is zero pilots.... Flight schools offer up to 5,000 dollars and give free ratings just to get pilots. The aviation industry now is different than it ever has been and no pilots at Envoy with seniority greater than 3 years have any idea... Or they wouldnt be on here complaining new hires can choose what they want.
On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
Look at any other regional and think if youll better than Envoy.
Compass has a wild card on 20 of their 175's they dont own or have a garunteed contract on past next year. Ex-jet see above comment about compass not owning the airplanes and see today how anyone on the 145 side in DFW has to move to IAH, plus wait 7 years for an upgrade there, and they are also owned by another regional. Then theres Mesa... Well Mesa is Mesa and there too many negatives to list and everyone has a good Mesa story. Horizon Skywest both solid companies with growth. Republic... Know a lot of guys there and if people scare you about our work rules here look at their work rules. Plus their in bankruptcy so theres that. PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy, if your new to the regional a great option like skywest and horizon. In the time since ive been hired in the shiny new jet syndrome airplane, the company has increased the sign on bonus from 5k to 15k, and back dated it to all other new hires hired this year. Extended the FO retention bonus to all those who didnt previously recieve it. ( Yea as a new hire you wont recieve it, but again coming from the GA industry or any other industry you know theres absolutely no pilots and they will extend it again.) Pay rates at Envoy are terrible, yep but they will change, no way they would back pay a bonus to those on already on property unless they see just how bad the shortage is and they want to keep the new hires happy. Any new hire coming to any airline can choose whatever they want. The garuntee of 2.5 year upgrade 6 year flow at Envoy?. Na prolly never gonna happen, all those disgruntled employees at Envoy are gonna stay because they cant get hired anywhere else because of their attitude. I went to Envoy not for the money, or the chance of a upgrade etc, I came because in my back pocket I have a ticket to one of the majors, and can apply to any other or llc airline all day until I get hired. I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
If they offered the 145 and or crj in dfw with as good as QOL as the 175 any new hire would take it. Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
Look at any other regional and think if youll better than Envoy.
Compass has a wild card on 20 of their 175's they dont own or have a garunteed contract on past next year. Ex-jet see above comment about compass not owning the airplanes and see today how anyone on the 145 side in DFW has to move to IAH, plus wait 7 years for an upgrade there, and they are also owned by another regional. Then theres Mesa... Well Mesa is Mesa and there too many negatives to list and everyone has a good Mesa story. Horizon Skywest both solid companies with growth. Republic... Know a lot of guys there and if people scare you about our work rules here look at their work rules. Plus their in bankruptcy so theres that. PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy, if your new to the regional a great option like skywest and horizon. In the time since ive been hired in the shiny new jet syndrome airplane, the company has increased the sign on bonus from 5k to 15k, and back dated it to all other new hires hired this year. Extended the FO retention bonus to all those who didnt previously recieve it. ( Yea as a new hire you wont recieve it, but again coming from the GA industry or any other industry you know theres absolutely no pilots and they will extend it again.) Pay rates at Envoy are terrible, yep but they will change, no way they would back pay a bonus to those on already on property unless they see just how bad the shortage is and they want to keep the new hires happy. Any new hire coming to any airline can choose whatever they want. The garuntee of 2.5 year upgrade 6 year flow at Envoy?. Na prolly never gonna happen, all those disgruntled employees at Envoy are gonna stay because they cant get hired anywhere else because of their attitude. I went to Envoy not for the money, or the chance of a upgrade etc, I came because in my back pocket I have a ticket to one of the majors, and can apply to any other or llc airline all day until I get hired. I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
If they offered the 145 and or crj in dfw with as good as QOL as the 175 any new hire would take it. Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
07-26-2016 | 04:46 AM
#4270
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That guy isn't a recruiter. I know a few of the recruiters and NOBODY talks like that or is that out of touch. My guess is that it's another troll who is trying to bait people into talking smack about envoy. And hey, it's working!
There's a select group of people on here with way too much time on their hands and way too much anger in their heart. cr700 is definitely one of them.
There's a select group of people on here with way too much time on their hands and way too much anger in their heart. cr700 is definitely one of them.
There's something really, really wrong with people that need to flamebait themselves in order to win an internet argument.
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