New Envoy Information
06-11-2016, 12:11 PM
#3261
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 194
Originally Posted by ag386
I served at Eagle for a number of years. Fortunately I've been able to move on and am on the Airbus now.
Let me assure you that the pro Envoy diatribe that you get on this site does not reflect the feelings of the majority of the pilot group there. You have a handful of "salesmen" on here that have FO seats to fill to advance their agenda of the flow actually working. It cannot work without replacements.
Things have taken a turn for the worse again at the Voy, if that is even possible. Management seems to want to "use" Envoy to cover RAH Miami flying until they can catch up. Just another slap in the face of the pilot group after turning the other cheek multiple times.
The QOL there has seriously taken a nose dive as of late. The prospective new hires aren't stupid and it is obvious they aren't buying short upgrade and flow with the very weak numbers Envoy recruitment is posting.
If you didn't choose Envoy, it appears that you have done your due diligence.
Let me assure you that the pro Envoy diatribe that you get on this site does not reflect the feelings of the majority of the pilot group there. You have a handful of "salesmen" on here that have FO seats to fill to advance their agenda of the flow actually working. It cannot work without replacements.
Things have taken a turn for the worse again at the Voy, if that is even possible. Management seems to want to "use" Envoy to cover RAH Miami flying until they can catch up. Just another slap in the face of the pilot group after turning the other cheek multiple times.
The QOL there has seriously taken a nose dive as of late. The prospective new hires aren't stupid and it is obvious they aren't buying short upgrade and flow with the very weak numbers Envoy recruitment is posting.
If you didn't choose Envoy, it appears that you have done your due diligence.
06-11-2016, 12:31 PM
#3262
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 194
Originally Posted by None
Yes I could be anyone of those listed above.
This is what a new hire will be expected to endure if you go to Envoy. I have no doubt in my mind based off your responses you have to be some middle manager at the Voy that has taken my opinion personally.
That is your future at Envoy should you be unwise enough to seek other opportunities.
Off topic though, you all crack me up. The thought of going above fl420 has really gotten your panties into a twist. You all remind of a child that was shown his or her first magic trick. I can see your faces now and hear all the ooooos and aaaaahs while drool runs down your chin as you ponder the fact that an aircraft can go higher than fl420. As if the hand of God has come down to lift the aircraft into some no mans land that even a guy like Bob Hoover himself would wet himself should he find himself up there.
No way you all are pilots. Google Bob Hoover as I am sure you have no clue who that is also.
This is what a new hire will be expected to endure if you go to Envoy. I have no doubt in my mind based off your responses you have to be some middle manager at the Voy that has taken my opinion personally.
That is your future at Envoy should you be unwise enough to seek other opportunities.
Off topic though, you all crack me up. The thought of going above fl420 has really gotten your panties into a twist. You all remind of a child that was shown his or her first magic trick. I can see your faces now and hear all the ooooos and aaaaahs while drool runs down your chin as you ponder the fact that an aircraft can go higher than fl420. As if the hand of God has come down to lift the aircraft into some no mans land that even a guy like Bob Hoover himself would wet himself should he find himself up there.
No way you all are pilots. Google Bob Hoover as I am sure you have no clue who that is also.
06-11-2016, 12:37 PM
#3264
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 31
Originally Posted by go skers
You ARE all of those names. No could involved. I'm impressed you've doubled down and posted under your ag386 allegiant handle as well. Especially since the back story you created for him has been proven false.
06-11-2016, 12:46 PM
#3265
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 259
Originally Posted by None
As of 05/21/2016 you clearly sated you were at Aerosim.
So which is it?
Let me guess you tell people you work for AA too.
So which is it?
Let me guess you tell people you work for AA too.
06-11-2016, 12:49 PM
#3266
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 259
Originally Posted by None
You are impressed? Sadly that is not saying much. I bet if I pulled a lighter out of my pocket and lit a match on fire your jaw would drop in awe.
06-11-2016, 01:03 PM
#3268
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 31
Originally Posted by criticalaoa
I might work for both, why does it matter to you. I just see you come on here complaining about the company I work for when you don't even work here.
Knowing how Envoy operates I would not be suprised now to see if them hire a detective to check on that flight school to see if you are flying outside company policy.
Quite frankly I don't care if your butt hurt because I am complaining about the company you say you work for.
This forum is a great tool for anyone looking at pros and cons of any company they might entertain as an option of employment.
I am posting my opinion based off my observations. When I see post that the company now has a coffee nazi I see no reason why I should not be able to chime in and bring attention to this fact.
Or let me guess your now going to tell me I should not bash China for child labor since I don't live there? Or maybe I should pipe down if Ford outsources several plants overseas and my family member loses a job as a result, since I don't work for Ford.
Your better off doing your own damage control at this point.
06-11-2016, 01:12 PM
#3269
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 259
Originally Posted by None
I might work for Envoy as well, why does it matter to you?
Knowing how Envoy operates I would not be suprised now to see if them hire a detective to check on that flight school to see if you are flying outside company policy.
Quite frankly I don't care if your butt hurt because I am complaining about the company you say you work for.
This forum is a great tool for anyone looking at pros and cons of any company they might entertain as an option of employment.
I am posting my opinion based off my observations. When I see post that the company now has a coffee nazi I see no reason why I should not be able to chime in and bring attention to this fact.
Or let me guess your now going to tell me I should not bash China for child labor since I don't live there? Or maybe I should pipe down if Ford outsources several plants overseas and my family member loses a job as a result, since I don't work for Ford.
Your better off doing your own damage control at this point.
Knowing how Envoy operates I would not be suprised now to see if them hire a detective to check on that flight school to see if you are flying outside company policy.
Quite frankly I don't care if your butt hurt because I am complaining about the company you say you work for.
This forum is a great tool for anyone looking at pros and cons of any company they might entertain as an option of employment.
I am posting my opinion based off my observations. When I see post that the company now has a coffee nazi I see no reason why I should not be able to chime in and bring attention to this fact.
Or let me guess your now going to tell me I should not bash China for child labor since I don't live there? Or maybe I should pipe down if Ford outsources several plants overseas and my family member loses a job as a result, since I don't work for Ford.
Your better off doing your own damage control at this point.
06-11-2016, 01:38 PM
#3270
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 31
Originally Posted by criticalaoa
Hmmmmm. Damage control. silly rabbit tricks are for kids. By the way your opinion does have some valid points. Lets just be real, we are all bored and don't have anything better to than go at each other in the forums. Are we frustrated that we don't MIA ******* yea. How about the pay ******* yea. What can we do... not much. I cant quit my job and jump ships, cant afford going back to first year pay. So for now we are *******.
Not much you can do, but being honest about the treatment pilots clearly can't hurt. There is a reason management can't get new hires to come. Some of its money, quite a bit of it is treatment and QOL issues.
It is not your job as a line pilot to get bodies in the door. IMO you guys have had to endure the worst treatment I have ever heard. In this day and age when the pilots are the currency there is no reason to be treated as such.
The inability to get new hires through the doors speaks volumes. The less that show up the sooner you all might see some positive changes. From my observation Envoy won't change anything until the pain is too great. Once they get to that point all you can hope is they clean house and replace those that enjoy making your lives miserable.
Either way you very well may be able to help someone take a different path that may hold a better working environment or QOL than what you can't leave from now due to not being able to start over at 1st year pay and sitting reserve.
Having said that, it is hard to not be a jerk when someone claims I am somone else or making an account from several different screen names.
I have read this forum for many many years, and reading about an email sent out from some coffee nazi pushed me over the edge. Never felt the need to post here but truly this garbage is getting out of control at Envoy.
I've seen mall cops get treated better than the pilots at Envoy.
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