The WO CEO's are division heads. They can call themselves CEO's all they want, but they answer to AAG's CEO and then the BOD. The WO's are not independent companies and cannot operate as such.

Division managers.

 

Well, if pay is more at SkyWest, they offer you your ORD base, solid future, and a legitimate 2.5-4 year upgrade; what makes that decision hard? Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.

 

The Flow .

 

All I can say is make a pro/con sheet and weigh your options that way. I'm not privy to SkyWest attrition, but I'm sure they have plenty of guys leaving for legacies, majors, and cargo outfits.

 

Fixing first year pay wont solve the problem. That is essentially what all these bonuses and such were, just veiled carrots to hopefully solve the problem.

It hasn't and it won't.

Personally, I don't think Envoy management CAN solve the problem as it has passed up their bus stop. The problem will soon be bigger then any one regional and is already almost there and only AAG can hope to solve that and it will require a complete overhaul of their relationships with both mainline pilot labor and their regional WO pilots as well. What hasn't passed their bus stop there though IMO, is the treatment of the pilots with what tools management DOES have and that is correctable, but inexplicably sounds as if it is only getting worse. It also sounds to me like the Envoy MEC Chair has morphed into a clone of his predecessors and if so, why he's not facing a recall is beyond me.

I assume the parties that be are likely strategizing their next cheap fix in the hope it works. I'm not very confident of anything other then more can kicking.

 

I don't think there is an easy fix for any of this. Most folks are educated enough to look beyond first year pay. What are the base options? How long on reserve? Upgrade times etc. all play into the equation.

It is a package deal - with flow being one of the elements. At the end of the day, people have to eat today and pay bills today and want to enjoy live today - and don't want to defer it to eternity.

Finally, company reputation, culture and history goes a long way. And it takes time to address those. You got to walk the talk. No quick announcement will ever fix that.

 

The envoy mec was under threat of recall but both ord reps caved in under no pressure. Most union reps here except dfw are cowards.

 

Agreed with most of the above, however I do think the newest generation of pilots are as prone to blind obtainment of immediate gratification as past generations, if not more so. Placing seniority second and shiny metal first is one example of out-of-whack priorities and short-sighted thinking and that blame lies with pilots. Let's face it, no one chases carrots (invisible or otherwise), makes the same errors time and again nor has a history of allowing themselves to fleeced repeatedly like hapless airline pilots. Airlinii Pilotus is entirely predictable in these characteristics and so for those that understand these flaws, they can be manipulated with confidence and so it's like taking candy from a baby.

Perhaps its a defective chromosome somewhere in the DNA chain ?

 

Not surprising.............garbage in - garbage out.

 

I'm trying to get an idea of class dates , I was first offered my choice of base and equipment , but now they can't really tell me what classes are going for what since they don't have anything planned out farther then June right now .