Originally Posted by Smutter

IF AAG proposes the following then we have a start.

- significant pay raises for all

- effective schedules

- guarantee to follow the contract

- fix lines( currently trending to 11-12 days off. We have 15 day off lines, problem is, the last trip has 3day carry over, so say you get a line with 15 days off again, it's actually only worth 12 because of carry over

- immediately replace Pedro and Ric AND JANE IN SCHEDULING, they're the main problem to a lot of this

- fix reserve, forgot to bid last month and had to suffer for a month. I was the senior guy so I made it work. Feel bad for the lower guys, it's a horrible system

- Ric admit he was off on 2.5 and 6. More like 5-6 and 9-10

Many more problems, but if this at bare minimum doesn't happen, envoy should think about closing the doors.

Originally Posted by ag386

So Ric admits the 2.5/5.5 was a farce? So now 5-6/9-10?

Originally Posted by highflyer1980

Per the union visit in ORD yesterday, I was told that Pedro has started telling AAG we can't accept additional flying because ALPA has advised them about the lack of new hires. We are maxed out on what our staff can handle unless we acquire more bodies. Something like just over 1500 active pilots. ALPA said they (AAG) has something in the works and is soon to be sent to ALPA. They don't know what it is. Could be a counterproposal, could be a "no", could be a "yes".

Originally Posted by ag386

So Ric admits the 2.5/5.5 was a farce? So now 5-6/9-10?

Like I've said before, if you are outside the 824 and don't want to make Envoy a long term career, I would seriously consider other options. The LCCs are obvious choices to start but it's not easy getting in at JetBlue, Spirit or Virgin.

I would certainly work for AA if given the choice but getting there via the flow outside the 824 will be very long term at best.

I'm beginning to think that even the last 300 or so 824 could have a problem getting over. Apparently Pedro is telling AAG that Envoy cannot accept any additional flying due to staffing. It seems Envoy is done shrinking and with regular attrition, this fall you will see big problems unless AAG starts parking planes. It's a big shell game there though as Envoy is currently covering RAH, PSA and Mesa to name three.

AAG/Envoy doesn't address anything head on until a full blown crisis is staring them in the face. I can see a full blown crisis hitting late this year or earlier.

Originally Posted by N927EV

Ric didn't say 5-9 years, it was the poster being facetious. Ric just said he was off. And thanks, we don't need your unsolicited job advice. Just worry about yourself and your career at allegiant.

Originally Posted by ag386

It's a big shell game there though as Envoy is currently covering RAH, PSA and Mesa to name three.

Originally Posted by ag386

Sticking it out at Envoy for another 10 to flow?

Originally Posted by Cosgr

What flying are they covering for PSA? There is none that I know about.

Originally Posted by Smutter

IF AAG proposes the following then we have a start.
- significant pay raises for all
- effective schedules
- guarantee to follow the contract
- fix lines( currently trending to 11-12 days off. We have 15 day off lines, problem is, the last trip has 3day carry over, so say you get a line with 15 days off again, it's actually only worth 12 because of carry over
- immediately replace Pedro and Ric, they're the main problem to a lot of this
- fix reserve, forgot to bid last month and had to suffer for a month. I was the senior guy so I made it work. Feel bad for the lower guys, it's a horrible system
- Ric admit he was off on 2.5 and 6. More like 5-6 and 9-10
Many more problems, but if this at bare minimum doesn't happen, envoy should think about closing the doors.

Originally Posted by Smutter

IF AAG proposes the following then we have a start.
- significant pay raises for all
- effective schedules
- guarantee to follow the contract
- fix lines( currently trending to 11-12 days off. We have 15 day off lines, problem is, the last trip has 3day carry over, so say you get a line with 15 days off again, it's actually only worth 12 because of carry over
- immediately replace Pedro and Ric, they're the main problem to a lot of this
- fix reserve, forgot to bid last month and had to suffer for a month. I was the senior guy so I made it work. Feel bad for the lower guys, it's a horrible system
- Ric admit he was off on 2.5 and 6. More like 5-6 and 9-10
Many more problems, but if this at bare minimum doesn't happen, envoy should think about closing the doors.