Bob Loblaw

A better start would be for management to begin respecting us and our contract.

eaglefly

One thing that may not be apparent to many is that if AAG agrees to contract improvements at Envoy outside of section 6, APA will publicly pounce on them for their hypocrisy. Parker has steadfastly represented to APA that they do not and will not entertain improvements to AA pilots industry trailing contractual provisions until section 6 negotiations years from now. If they suddenly give Envoy improvements in opposition to that supposed standard, it cramps their supposedly immovable position represented to APA which means simply throwing more money at Envoy pilots will put more pressure on them to throw more at AA pilots thus making this move potentially a lot more expensive then it appears at first glance.

Another aspect is that I'm sure they question whether simple pay raises would have much impact truly keeping Envoy pilots from accepting positions at legacies or especially LCC's and in this I think that is correct. Personally, I think it would be throwing good money after bad and the real solution has to be something outside Envoy in and of itself. It will have to be a (painful for them, I'm sure) admission that they've screwed up and significant investment in their operations pilots across the board from mainline through to regional. Since the resource of pilots is still flush for legacy flying, that is where IMO they should apply their efforts just like Delta and UAL as ultimately, that has the best chance at maximizing the career benefits to both present and future pilots operating the smaller regional sized aircraft on behalf of AA. AAG once again just demonstrated their penchant for being followers of others by altering their FF model to money spent as opposed to miles earned just like the others, so this would be nothing new.

The clock is ticking for AAG and hopefully whatever solution they decide on will be correct and timely. The longer they kick this can, the higher likelihood of mortal infection from a rusty over-kicked can.

Wink

Is Envoy the only wholly owned that got approached for a pay increase?

eaglefly

Isn't it ALPA that has approached Envoy ?

Buzzlightyear

Uhhhhhhh....
1. Pay raises
2. Growth
3. Stop violating the contract
4. Make this a desirable place to work

Mistek89

Does anyone know the realistic reserve out of ORD?

SkyWago

Depends on the Airframe. I think 2.5 to 3 year guys are getting lines on the 145 and 2 year guys are around the line cutoff on the CRJ.

leica typ240

...if the union can get management to comply with #1 and #3, #2 and #4 will happen, but the donuts were a nice touch to soften the blow in ORD today!

RyanP

Somebody just said 2 weeks ago that 145 ORD is now 5 months. You have to be in that specific status to look it up, so I can't check the current numbers.

Shiner

Jan '16 hire is bottom line holder in ORD on the E145. There are 241 active FO's and June has 189 hard lines.

Aug '15 hire is bottom line holder in ORD on the CRJ. There are 163 active FO's and June has 113 hard lines.

With the vacancy a few months back, FO's are moving off the top, so there's been upward movement the last couple months.

However, we are no longer overstaffed and with flow and attrition continuing with very few new hires, something will have to give or we will probably park airplanes by the end of the summer.

Parking airplanes is bad for getting off reserve because your relative seniority stagnates. When I came to Eagle, guys at my current seniority number were junior captains, but I still haven't cracked 50% as an FO.


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