New Envoy Information
#3041
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He's supposedly still on reserve, so the next 18 months should be quite a slingshot forward, especially 2017. Curiously though, others have also claimed he got a "talking to" by ALPA attorney's, whatever that means. I guess it's tough to have the golden ticket at the "premier regional" in the industry and not have all eyes on you monitoring and marking your impending meteoric success ?

#3043
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Actually, they won't as those too will go to new-hires. Sounds good for some, but in reality virtually all eventually lose as it demonstrates yet another end-run around the seniority system hamstringing more senior pilots from options, advancement and improvement. However, the flipside is that as Envoy shrinks, displacements are likely to some degree and then sooner or later, that systemic failure taps you too on the shoulder for your lunch money in the form of reduction to reserve, or displacement to another aircraft (or even domicile).
That process is inevitable to some degree with a steadily shrinking airline even with contraction (parking or reassigning aircraft) matching attrition (flow and non flow) as it usually cannot be "balanced". IMO, if you're going to be rowing on the good ship Envoy until you flow, I'd plan for the likelihood of being pushed to a less desirable rowing position. As it stands now, it seems fairly clear it will likely be significantly more then 6 years before this ship reaches the destination you hope for unless it turtle shells first.
How's your backstroke, BTW ?
Remember, cake doesn't float very well so you can't walk on it once it goes overboard.

#3044
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
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This may be true. However, the bigger question looms. Regardless of the equipment he is on currently, will Mr. Bucket upgrade 18 months from yesterday and flow on to AA in 4.5 years from present date?
#3045

By most accounts you will. With 40 E-175's, 200 new-hires will enjoy the comfy new F/O seats in that "wide-body" with a nice view of those sexy wing slats and 3/4 of you (about 150 pilots) will likely hold hard lines. Unfortunately, most of the remainder of the present Envoy F/O's will watch from the sidelines as you taxi by with that beaming smile and suck eggs unless more E-175's are ord........er, wait a minute.
Actually, they won't as those too will go to new-hires. Sounds good for some, but in reality virtually all eventually lose as it demonstrates yet another end-run around the seniority system hamstringing more senior pilots from options, advancement and improvement. However, the flipside is that as Envoy shrinks, displacements are likely to some degree and then sooner or later, that systemic failure taps you too on the shoulder for your lunch money in the form of reduction to reserve, or displacement to another aircraft (or even domicile).
That process is inevitable to some degree with a steadily shrinking airline even with contraction (parking or reassigning aircraft) matching attrition (flow and non flow) as it usually cannot be "balanced". IMO, if you're going to be rowing on the good ship Envoy until you flow, I'd plan for the likelihood of being pushed to a less desirable rowing position. As it stands now, it seems fairly clear it will likely be significantly more then 6 years before this ship reaches the destination you hope for unless it turtle shells first.
How's your backstroke, BTW ?
Remember, cake doesn't float very well so you can't walk on it once it goes overboard.
Actually, they won't as those too will go to new-hires. Sounds good for some, but in reality virtually all eventually lose as it demonstrates yet another end-run around the seniority system hamstringing more senior pilots from options, advancement and improvement. However, the flipside is that as Envoy shrinks, displacements are likely to some degree and then sooner or later, that systemic failure taps you too on the shoulder for your lunch money in the form of reduction to reserve, or displacement to another aircraft (or even domicile).
That process is inevitable to some degree with a steadily shrinking airline even with contraction (parking or reassigning aircraft) matching attrition (flow and non flow) as it usually cannot be "balanced". IMO, if you're going to be rowing on the good ship Envoy until you flow, I'd plan for the likelihood of being pushed to a less desirable rowing position. As it stands now, it seems fairly clear it will likely be significantly more then 6 years before this ship reaches the destination you hope for unless it turtle shells first.
How's your backstroke, BTW ?
Remember, cake doesn't float very well so you can't walk on it once it goes overboard.

#3046
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You do know you have to have PIC time in the 175 to get those high paying jobs overseas right?
#3047
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#3049

Got the email to interview a few minutes ago. Time to set up a date and then start studying like a crazy person. I want to 175, but I also want ORD due to the easy commute from GRR. Decisions, decisions. Hopefully it works out.
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