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05-26-2016, 06:52 AM
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Hi guys, since we're talking about bases and reserve times I have a couple questions. I recently passed all the interview stages at envoy and I'm looking to start in the beginng of August... For the last 2 years I've been a first officer for Azul Brazilian airlines in Brazil flying the E190. First off I've lived in Dallas before when I was younger have a lot of family there so I would most likely choose Dallas and prefer to live there. I really don't mind what airplane is available I love to fly and I think that the EMB or the CRJ would be an excellent opportunity to enhance my flying skills since they're older and less automated aircraft. I wanted to know that even though reserve times are higher in Dallas, what's it like to be on reserve in base? How's the flying on the E145? Time and upgrade aren't really an issue for me right now... I'm only 21... And I'll be on unpaid leave from Azul for a couple of years in case things tank back in the US... Thanks!
05-26-2016, 07:29 AM
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Can't answer how the flying is for locals on the 145, I've only done fly through trips. What I did do was pretty much hub and spoke flying, out and back.
Reserve living in base is infinitely preferable to commuting to reserve. Reserve is no fun when you're the low man on the totem pole, but if the company can put more people in the 145 to push you up seniority-wise your QOL will improve rapidly.
A word of caution: trends indicate most new hires are walking away from the job offer unless they get DFW 175. That means your upward movement can be very slow as there will be few coming in below you.
Reserve living in base is infinitely preferable to commuting to reserve. Reserve is no fun when you're the low man on the totem pole, but if the company can put more people in the 145 to push you up seniority-wise your QOL will improve rapidly.
A word of caution: trends indicate most new hires are walking away from the job offer unless they get DFW 175. That means your upward movement can be very slow as there will be few coming in below you.
05-26-2016, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pcruz28
Hi guys, since we're talking about bases and reserve times I have a couple questions. I recently passed all the interview stages at envoy and I'm looking to start in the beginng of August... For the last 2 years I've been a first officer for Azul Brazilian airlines in Brazil flying the E190. First off I've lived in Dallas before when I was younger have a lot of family there so I would most likely choose Dallas and prefer to live there. I really don't mind what airplane is available I love to fly and I think that the EMB or the CRJ would be an excellent opportunity to enhance my flying skills since they're older and less automated aircraft. I wanted to know that even though reserve times are higher in Dallas, what's it like to be on reserve in base? How's the flying on the E145? Time and upgrade aren't really an issue for me right now... I'm only 21... And I'll be on unpaid leave from Azul for a couple of years in case things tank back in the US... Thanks!
Reserve Living in base is a million times better than commuting. You can't even compare the two because it is a different world completely. Living in DFW and being on RSV is much better than holding a bottom crappy line because you can be very flexible in if you want to work or not, or what flying you want to do (with a little seniority).
You have a 2 hour callout time. You can proffer for available open trips (in seniority order) the day before if you want them. You can bid standby shifts if you want them. (Junior People that are locals and want to spend more time at home tend to bid 6am-2pm standby shifts since they rarely ever get overnights and end up being home everyday). This shift "usually" gets called out for one turn or nothing at all. Pre-assigned 4am RAP doesn't matter if you are local since you don't need to commute on a day off, then after day one you can get switched over to 10AM's if you prefer that. (once you start to learn the RSV tricks).
If you are on 4am RAP you can pretty much sleep through most of your shift if you have some people below you, by the time you wake up they are into 10AM RAPs and your usable time for turns is pretty much done early afternoon. (2 hour callout + trip time) Basically by around 2-3pm they can't really call you for much anymore anyway. Even on 10AM RAP, by 5pm you are off the hook if you proffer for a trip the next day. Once you confirm a next day assignment right at 5pm, you are released for the day from either RAP shift. Very junior on RSV sucks no matter what, you will get called constantly, and get called in to sit standby regularly, but once you start to figure out the system you can make it work to your advantage living in base.
Reserves in DFW do get used a lot, but the trips are pretty much always picked apart and generally start later and finish fairly early. (People picking up OT take the front and back ends off a lot of the open 4 day trips). Leaving the reserves with a 4 day trip worth like 12 hours on average. But on RSV you get your min guarantee of 75 hours either way so easier shorter trips are better anyway.
DFW EMB145 has a lot of crappy short 30-45 min flights to small cities in TX and nearby. You will get those a lot on RSV because the line holders dump a lot of those worthless very low time trips into open time, so the reserves get called in to do them. There is also trips with 2+ hour legs, so it varies a lot.
Most of the flying I had been doing DFW RSV was MIA flying though. There is a ton of MIA flying lately with the Republic problems. It's a Deadhead out there and a Deadhead back when you are done, but some of the best flying and best overnights we do are out there. You can also do Cuba charters out of MIA and Ft Lauderdale which I did quite a bit. I love the MIA flying. Much rather be out on the beach in Key West or MIA then in some crappy town in North Dakota or Iowa.
05-26-2016, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Can't answer how the flying is for locals on the 145, I've only done fly through trips. What I did do was pretty much hub and spoke flying, out and back.
Reserve living in base is infinitely preferable to commuting to reserve. Reserve is no fun when you're the low man on the totem pole, but if the company can put more people in the 145 to push you up seniority-wise your QOL will improve rapidly.
A word of caution: trends indicate most new hires are walking away from the job offer unless they get DFW 175. That means your upward movement can be very slow as there will be few coming in below you.
Reserve living in base is infinitely preferable to commuting to reserve. Reserve is no fun when you're the low man on the totem pole, but if the company can put more people in the 145 to push you up seniority-wise your QOL will improve rapidly.
A word of caution: trends indicate most new hires are walking away from the job offer unless they get DFW 175. That means your upward movement can be very slow as there will be few coming in below you.
05-26-2016, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pcruz28
Thanks for the tip! Yeah I see how that could affect my upward movement since most people do want the E175... I just don't know if it's worth waiting for the 175 when I can already get a seniority number and start immediately on the 145.
05-26-2016, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
I was previously a reserve DFW EMB145 CA so can answer some of your questions.
Reserve Living in base is a million times better than commuting. You can't even compare the two because it is a different world completely. Living in DFW and being on RSV is much better than holding a bottom crappy line because you can be very flexible in if you want to work or not, or what flying you want to do (with a little seniority).
You have a 2 hour callout time. You can proffer for available open trips (in seniority order) the day before if you want them. You can bid standby shifts if you want them. (Junior People that are locals and want to spend more time at home tend to bid 6am-2pm standby shifts since they rarely ever get overnights and end up being home everyday). This shift "usually" gets called out for one turn or nothing at all. Pre-assigned 4am RAP doesn't matter if you are local since you don't need to commute on a day off, then after day one you can get switched over to 10AM's if you prefer that. (once you start to learn the RSV tricks).
If you are on 4am RAP you can pretty much sleep through most of your shift if you have some people below you, by the time you wake up they are into 10AM RAPs and your usable time for turns is pretty much done early afternoon. (2 hour callout + trip time) Basically by around 2-3pm they can't really call you for much anymore anyway. Even on 10AM RAP, by 5pm you are off the hook if you proffer for a trip the next day. Once you confirm a next day assignment right at 5pm, you are released for the day from either RAP shift. Very junior on RSV sucks no matter what, you will get called constantly, and get called in to sit standby regularly, but once you start to figure out the system you can make it work to your advantage living in base.
Reserves in DFW do get used a lot, but the trips are pretty much always picked apart and generally start later and finish fairly early. (People picking up OT take the front and back ends off a lot of the open 4 day trips). Leaving the reserves with a 4 day trip worth like 12 hours on average. But on RSV you get your min guarantee of 75 hours either way so easier shorter trips are better anyway.
DFW EMB145 has a lot of crappy short 30-45 min flights to small cities in TX and nearby. You will get those a lot on RSV because the line holders dump a lot of those worthless very low time trips into open time, so the reserves get called in to do them. There is also trips with 2+ hour legs, so it varies a lot.
Most of the flying I had been doing DFW RSV was MIA flying though. There is a ton of MIA flying lately with the Republic problems. It's a Deadhead out there and a Deadhead back when you are done, but some of the best flying and best overnights we do are out there. You can also do Cuba charters out of MIA and Ft Lauderdale which I did quite a bit. I love the MIA flying. Much rather be out on the beach in Key West or MIA then in some crappy town in North Dakota or Iowa.
Reserve Living in base is a million times better than commuting. You can't even compare the two because it is a different world completely. Living in DFW and being on RSV is much better than holding a bottom crappy line because you can be very flexible in if you want to work or not, or what flying you want to do (with a little seniority).
You have a 2 hour callout time. You can proffer for available open trips (in seniority order) the day before if you want them. You can bid standby shifts if you want them. (Junior People that are locals and want to spend more time at home tend to bid 6am-2pm standby shifts since they rarely ever get overnights and end up being home everyday). This shift "usually" gets called out for one turn or nothing at all. Pre-assigned 4am RAP doesn't matter if you are local since you don't need to commute on a day off, then after day one you can get switched over to 10AM's if you prefer that. (once you start to learn the RSV tricks).
If you are on 4am RAP you can pretty much sleep through most of your shift if you have some people below you, by the time you wake up they are into 10AM RAPs and your usable time for turns is pretty much done early afternoon. (2 hour callout + trip time) Basically by around 2-3pm they can't really call you for much anymore anyway. Even on 10AM RAP, by 5pm you are off the hook if you proffer for a trip the next day. Once you confirm a next day assignment right at 5pm, you are released for the day from either RAP shift. Very junior on RSV sucks no matter what, you will get called constantly, and get called in to sit standby regularly, but once you start to figure out the system you can make it work to your advantage living in base.
Reserves in DFW do get used a lot, but the trips are pretty much always picked apart and generally start later and finish fairly early. (People picking up OT take the front and back ends off a lot of the open 4 day trips). Leaving the reserves with a 4 day trip worth like 12 hours on average. But on RSV you get your min guarantee of 75 hours either way so easier shorter trips are better anyway.
DFW EMB145 has a lot of crappy short 30-45 min flights to small cities in TX and nearby. You will get those a lot on RSV because the line holders dump a lot of those worthless very low time trips into open time, so the reserves get called in to do them. There is also trips with 2+ hour legs, so it varies a lot.
Most of the flying I had been doing DFW RSV was MIA flying though. There is a ton of MIA flying lately with the Republic problems. It's a Deadhead out there and a Deadhead back when you are done, but some of the best flying and best overnights we do are out there. You can also do Cuba charters out of MIA and Ft Lauderdale which I did quite a bit. I love the MIA flying. Much rather be out on the beach in Key West or MIA then in some crappy town in North Dakota or Iowa.
05-26-2016, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pcruz28
Good to know. I personally don't mind if I'm out for a couple days or in and out the same day so whatever I pick up would be good. I read on here that new hires are mostly going to the E175, but is it worth is since they have to wait out for a class date? In an industry where seniority means everything it just doesn't make sense to me why which airplane was offered... The E175 would be a breeze for me but I don't mind going on the 145, if it flies I'm in, another type rating on my license for me.
Long term if you flow to AA, you will end up 50-100 numbers ahead of them for the rest of your career, which is a big deal in bidding and everything else seniority related for 35+ years.
05-26-2016, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
I don't think it's worth waiting. Maybe one class at most. Otherwise you will be senior to all those people which is what really matters big picture long term. Seniority has a way of working itself out over time. If a displacement bid ever comes out, you can potentially bump all of them and take their seat if you want it since you are senior. You will upgrade before all of them, they may have it better for a short time on the 175, but eventually you will be ahead. When you are eventually a Captain, and still senior to all of them that waited, see who has the better schedules then while they sit bottom reserve below you, or continue waiting for upgrades that they can't hold!
Long term if you flow to AA, you will end up 50-100 numbers ahead of them for the rest of your career, which is a big deal in bidding and everything else seniority related for 35+ years.
Long term if you flow to AA, you will end up 50-100 numbers ahead of them for the rest of your career, which is a big deal in bidding and everything else seniority related for 35+ years.
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