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07-26-2016 | 05:08 AM
#4271
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New to the forum. The new hire hate brought me here. Anyone considering Envoy dont be detered from this forum. Anyone considering Envoy has either never been in the general aviation field the last 2 years or has no idea about the pilot shortage in the country. Coming from flight training and general aviation there is zero pilots.... Flight schools offer up to 5,000 dollars and give free ratings just to get pilots. The aviation industry now is different than it ever has been and no pilots at Envoy with seniority greater than 3 years have any idea... Or they wouldnt be on here complaining new hires can choose what they want.
On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
Look at any other regional and think if youll better than Envoy.
Compass has a wild card on 20 of their 175's they dont own or have a garunteed contract on past next year. Ex-jet see above comment about compass not owning the airplanes and see today how anyone on the 145 side in DFW has to move to IAH, plus wait 7 years for an upgrade there, and they are also owned by another regional. Then theres Mesa... Well Mesa is Mesa and there too many negatives to list and everyone has a good Mesa story. Horizon Skywest both solid companies with growth. Republic... Know a lot of guys there and if people scare you about our work rules here look at their work rules. Plus their in bankruptcy so theres that. PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy, if your new to the regional a great option like skywest and horizon. In the time since ive been hired in the shiny new jet syndrome airplane, the company has increased the sign on bonus from 5k to 15k, and back dated it to all other new hires hired this year. Extended the FO retention bonus to all those who didnt previously recieve it. ( Yea as a new hire you wont recieve it, but again coming from the GA industry or any other industry you know theres absolutely no pilots and they will extend it again.) Pay rates at Envoy are terrible, yep but they will change, no way they would back pay a bonus to those on already on property unless they see just how bad the shortage is and they want to keep the new hires happy. Any new hire coming to any airline can choose whatever they want. The garuntee of 2.5 year upgrade 6 year flow at Envoy?. Na prolly never gonna happen, all those disgruntled employees at Envoy are gonna stay because they cant get hired anywhere else because of their attitude. I went to Envoy not for the money, or the chance of a upgrade etc, I came because in my back pocket I have a ticket to one of the majors, and can apply to any other or llc airline all day until I get hired. I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
If they offered the 145 and or crj in dfw with as good as QOL as the 175 any new hire would take it. Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
Look at any other regional and think if youll better than Envoy.
Compass has a wild card on 20 of their 175's they dont own or have a garunteed contract on past next year. Ex-jet see above comment about compass not owning the airplanes and see today how anyone on the 145 side in DFW has to move to IAH, plus wait 7 years for an upgrade there, and they are also owned by another regional. Then theres Mesa... Well Mesa is Mesa and there too many negatives to list and everyone has a good Mesa story. Horizon Skywest both solid companies with growth. Republic... Know a lot of guys there and if people scare you about our work rules here look at their work rules. Plus their in bankruptcy so theres that. PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy, if your new to the regional a great option like skywest and horizon. In the time since ive been hired in the shiny new jet syndrome airplane, the company has increased the sign on bonus from 5k to 15k, and back dated it to all other new hires hired this year. Extended the FO retention bonus to all those who didnt previously recieve it. ( Yea as a new hire you wont recieve it, but again coming from the GA industry or any other industry you know theres absolutely no pilots and they will extend it again.) Pay rates at Envoy are terrible, yep but they will change, no way they would back pay a bonus to those on already on property unless they see just how bad the shortage is and they want to keep the new hires happy. Any new hire coming to any airline can choose whatever they want. The garuntee of 2.5 year upgrade 6 year flow at Envoy?. Na prolly never gonna happen, all those disgruntled employees at Envoy are gonna stay because they cant get hired anywhere else because of their attitude. I went to Envoy not for the money, or the chance of a upgrade etc, I came because in my back pocket I have a ticket to one of the majors, and can apply to any other or llc airline all day until I get hired. I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
If they offered the 145 and or crj in dfw with as good as QOL as the 175 any new hire would take it. Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
If they decide to move people around because staffing (it will happen first in ord since they are running out of reserve in a daily basis), just remember you are in the bottom of the seniority list.
Seniority it's being circumvented for long time. Let me tell you a story, in 2011 I was on RSV in the 145 for about 6 months. The guys Jr to me in the CRJ got lines in about 2 months. Eventually the list balanced itself and while everyone was holding lines, they got pushback to the point of being the guys on the top of RSV list for various months.
Also, most envoy pilots can get hired in any major. But it's not the same a major carrier, than a Legacy carrier. Most of us are just waiting for the call of a Legacy at this point. Long term gains are higher than going to a LCC like Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, Virgin.
Plus you will have to compete with people with more experience and that have been in the regionals longer. Just remember this NON OF US MILLENIALS ARE SPECIAL. You won't get faster to anyplace until the guys senior to you gets a chance. Unless you're a minority, or super networking.
This is a great place to be, don't get me wrong. I enjoy my job and I'm happy with what I have accomplished in my life thanks to this job. Just remember seniority is everything and you might seem to be "in the top", when in reality you're at the bottom of the barrel.
07-26-2016 | 07:28 AM
#4272
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From: A320 FO
There's something really, really wrong with the world when corporations don't value their employees and honor agreements bargained in good faith. I know I am probably just barking up a tree and not able to make a difference, but it really gets under my skin that we are expected to operate at such a high standard with integrity and clear conscience. To operate safely, and to remove ourselves from the equation when necessary. The double standard at this corporation is deafening and is full of hypocrisy. Safety number one.... (At their convenience)
Has anyone else asked why for the delay codes they don't have one for pilot preflight duties? We get called out on doing what we are supposed to do and then get psychologically manipulated into doing what we are not supposed to do. To cut corners, to get the flight out on-time.
Morale is low. Corporate morals are abusive in nature. It's been getting worse and nothing is being done. Not even our union will stand up to this.
07-26-2016 | 08:04 AM
#4273
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There's something really, really wrong with the world when corporations don't value their employees and honor agreements bargained in good faith. I know I am probably just barking up a tree and not able to make a difference, but it really gets under my skin that we are expected to operate at such a high standard with integrity and clear conscience. To operate safely, and to remove ourselves from the equation when necessary. The double standard at this corporation is deafening and is full of hypocrisy. Safety number one.... (At their convenience)
Has anyone else asked why for the delay codes they don't have one for pilot preflight duties? We get called out on doing what we are supposed to do and then get psychologically manipulated into doing what we are not supposed to do. To cut corners, to get the flight out on-time.
Morale is low. Corporate morals are abusive in nature. It's been getting worse and nothing is being done. Not even our union will stand up to this.
Has anyone else asked why for the delay codes they don't have one for pilot preflight duties? We get called out on doing what we are supposed to do and then get psychologically manipulated into doing what we are not supposed to do. To cut corners, to get the flight out on-time.
Morale is low. Corporate morals are abusive in nature. It's been getting worse and nothing is being done. Not even our union will stand up to this.
Also want to add that I completely disagree with it being a night and day difference between AA and Envoy work environments. Every captain I knew who flowed said yes the training is better, less stressful but the AAG bs still runs rancid. Ain't much better over there.
07-26-2016 | 09:02 AM
#4274
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Nothing will change with DUI Douggie at the helm. I feel bad for all my buddies still at Envoy who are waiting out in hopes of the flow.
Also want to add that I completely disagree with it being a night and day difference between AA and Envoy work environments. Every captain I knew who flowed said yes the training is better, less stressful but the AAG bs still runs rancid. Ain't much better over there.
Also want to add that I completely disagree with it being a night and day difference between AA and Envoy work environments. Every captain I knew who flowed said yes the training is better, less stressful but the AAG bs still runs rancid. Ain't much better over there.
Yes, there have been a few guys that have come over and have carried their chip on their shoulder right into the AA cockpits, and the captains who have had the displeasure of being paired with them have told me it makes for a miserable trip. But those guys are the exception, not the rule.
It's MUCH better on the AA side.
07-26-2016 | 10:22 AM
#4275
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.
Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.
As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.
Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
07-26-2016 | 10:56 AM
#4276
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On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.
Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
I live less than an hour from DFW but I have to commute to ORD rsv to go to work, as of now, my only way to get back to DFW is to upgrade. What's wrong with being pi$$ed off that a new guy gets to have a better QOL than I do right now? I'm not pi$$ed at the new hire, maybe a little jealous, I'm pi$$ed at the company.
Speaking for myself, it does pi$$ me off (and makes me laugh) when I hear about new hires walking out of class because they didn't get the 175. People don't get it, it's not the equipment, it's the seniority number that matters. Yes, you can be logging that precious "underwing jet time" (whatever the Hell that is lol), and then you can be displaced to another airplane or even another base. Ask me how I know.
As far as the "shiny jet" thing, I agree with you. We are pilots, what's wrong with wanting to fly a new plane. I want to fly as many planes as I can. Am I a lesser driver for wanting a new car? It's the new plane or I'm outta here that I don't get.
07-26-2016 | 04:07 PM
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