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08-07-2016, 07:42 AM
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That doesn't change what I said.
There were negotiations, the company wanted what benefitted them the most and would have left the pilots with the short end of the stick. The company imposed their rules and hasn't looked back. They "tried" only just enough to realize that they couldn't force us to take their usual abuses, then quit.
There were negotiations, the company wanted what benefitted them the most and would have left the pilots with the short end of the stick. The company imposed their rules and hasn't looked back. They "tried" only just enough to realize that they couldn't force us to take their usual abuses, then quit.
08-07-2016, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
Just for the record they did try a few times, the Union thinking they would continue to be stuck with the rap 2 scheme the pilots had said no and asked for more. The company imposed the rap 1 scheme and didn't come back with more offers.
Just want to make sure opinions are formed off proper facts.
Just want to make sure opinions are formed off proper facts.
08-07-2016, 08:43 AM
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Granted what the reserves were doing was hurting the company. The difference is the union was willing to negotiate towards something better where the company pulled from the table and used some self help to remedy the situation. Outside of railway labor act if I've ever seen it. We will find out the ruling once we get the arbitrators ruling.
08-07-2016, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Granted what the reserves were doing was hurting the company. The difference is the union was willing to negotiate towards something better where the company pulled from the table and used some self help to remedy the situation. Outside of railway labor act if I've ever seen it. We will find out the ruling once we get the arbitrators ruling.
08-07-2016, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
In the interest of facts, we rejected more than one offer, some of which were now in hindsight really good offers. They finally said they didn't want to play this anymore or deal w the union games and thus here we are.
08-07-2016, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
If you are selling your car for $10,000 and I offer you $100 and refuse to pay more. Did I blow the deal or did you because you refused my offer?
If your wife is selling her car worth $5000 and has a close friend who needs a new car right away who offers $7000 and your wife says I'll only take $9000, the person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else. Next day your wife bumps a guard rail with her car and it's now worth $3000 at best. Do you blame your wife or everyone else on earth?
08-07-2016, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
If you are selling your car for $10,000 and I offer you $100 and refuse to pay more. Did I blow the deal or did you because you refused my offer?
08-07-2016, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by go skers
If we fail at arbitration, which is entirely possible our leverage drops to nearly zero to get the company to negotiate something better than preassigned RAPs. In that situation your $1000 offer would be better than zero. How confident are you in arbitration?
08-07-2016, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
If your wife is selling her car worth $5000 and has a close friend who needs a new car right away who offers $7000 and your wife says I'll only take $9000, the person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else. Next day your wife bumps a guard rail with her car and it's now worth $3000 at best. Do you blame your wife or everyone else on earth?
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