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Old 07-31-2016 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Some of these guys have been guzzling kool aid for years and it's affected their capacity for rational thought. Heck, they are so head over heels in love with Envoy that they may pass on the flow when it's finally offered in 12 to 15 years.
How's unemployment? Too bad you're not at allegiant. Quite a nice contract they just signed!
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Old 07-31-2016 | 03:22 PM
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How's unemployment? Too bad you're not at allegiant. Quite a nice contract they just signed!
Is ag386 Ray?
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Old 07-31-2016 | 04:22 PM
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Is ag386 Ray?
No. He still posts under another name on here though.
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Old 07-31-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Hopefully he's looking for a job instead of wasting his time on here.
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Old 07-31-2016 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Ask ole ag386 about how he got fired from Envoy. It's a fun story to say the least.

Hey ag386...want to chime in? Tell everyone about your termination hearing. Tell everyone how you bawled your eyes out in the Chief Pilot's office.

Better yet, tell everyone how you spent the next 2 weeks calling everyone and anyone in ALPA who would take your call, begging them to get your job at Envoy back.

I've seen sour grapes before, but you take the gold prize. You have no one to blame for your termination but yourself. Move on, kid.

In the spirit of moving on, 11 started class today. Congrats to all. That's 22 for the month.
This is who ag386 is.
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Old 07-31-2016 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
Upgrade just dropped to 6 years and by the time it gets to a new hire I would conservatively say 3 years. Flow is projected at 6, not 10.
Upgrade DID NOT drop to 6 years. The junior captain was hired in 2008. That's 8 years ago. Sure, a few 2010 hires have been AWARDED upgrade in the bid, but they are not captains yet; they are still first officers. The 2010 haven't even been to captain training yet.
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Old 08-01-2016 | 12:54 AM
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When a glass 90% full is perceived as empty...
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Old 08-01-2016 | 03:26 AM
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Don't knock it too hard. What's to prevent the company from offering a 250 pilot upgrade but not putting people in class until 2018? They got the upgrade down to 5.5 years, didn't they? It's just a technicality they don't physically move to the left seat for a year and a half.

I doubt the company would pull a stunt like this, it'd be as transparent as could be.
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Old 08-01-2016 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
Upgrade just dropped to 6 years and by the time it gets to a new hire I would conservatively say 3 years. Flow is projected at 6, not 10. Envoy is a great place to start your career if you're young, are okay with DFW/ORD, and are looking to end up at legacy airline. Nothing is stopping you from applying to Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, Southwest, Alaska, etc; (which guys/girls are leaving for all the time from here) but if they don't call or you don't want to bust your ass and network for that interview, then there's always the flow waiting for you when your time comes.
You kind of optimistic there chief. 3 years for upgrade huh? Why is the current upgrade a 2008 hire? That's 8 years my friend.

The flow is projected at 6? How are you going to flow in 6 if you upgrade in 8? Fuzzy math compadre.
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Old 08-01-2016 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Don't knock it too hard. What's to prevent the company from offering a 250 pilot upgrade but not putting people in class until 2018? They got the upgrade down to 5.5 years, didn't they? It's just a technicality they don't physically move to the left seat for a year and a half.

I doubt the company would pull a stunt like this, it'd be as transparent as could be.
You bitter old man? I know if I was stuck at Eagle or Envoy for 15 years and just now flowing I would be bitter. They still treating you guys like cow manure over there?
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