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08-07-2016 | 01:02 PM

#4441

Buzzlightyear

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Originally Posted by go skers

If we fail at arbitration, which is entirely possible our leverage drops to nearly zero to get the company to negotiate something better than preassigned RAPs. In that situation your $1000 offer would be better than zero. How confident are you in arbitration?

The company fully understands when it comes to arbitration that a win for them is a loss for us which ends up being a loss for them in today's environment. Our contract, work rules, pay rates and relationship with management gets worse by the day in light of the current regional market.

08-07-2016 | 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lakehouse

If your wife is selling her car worth $5000 and has a close friend who needs a new car right away who offers $7000 and your wife says I'll only take $9000, the person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else. Next day your wife bumps a guard rail with her car and it's now worth $3000 at best. Do you blame your wife or everyone else on earth?

Since we are having a good time with these car metaphors. To me it's a 10000 car. Offered 8000. Countered at 9500. Offered 8500. Say no 9250. Company walks away and steals the car for free and hopes the cops don't catch em.

08-07-2016 | 01:38 PM

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If we win in arbitration our value is exactly what we claim it is and can demand that going forward with strong leverage and a backstop arbitration win. If we lose our product is nearly worthless and the company doesn't even have to steal it.

08-07-2016 | 02:27 PM

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lakehouse

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Originally Posted by go skers

That's how I see it. And let's make it that the wife didn't agree on the price to spite you for not doing the dishes. There have been alot of games going on internally over who thinks what a fair price is. Then the buyer just gives up.

08-07-2016 | 02:27 PM

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... person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else...

I guess that analogy would work if what the company offered was a $7500 deal, but to me, it was more of an unreasonable $100 offer. Like all their positions lately, heavily favored them and was full of loopholes they would exploit to our detriment.

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Originally Posted by go skers

How confident are you in arbitration?

Industry standard would still be better than what they were offering. Yeah, I like our chances.

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This bears repeating. Buzz is looking at the big picture.

08-07-2016 | 07:27 PM

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Rob12345

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Thanks for the dialogue on the Reserve issue, good background info..next question, used to be you all were on Reserve forever... Has that changed in recent months? How long are new FO's on Reserve these days?