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Old 02-21-2016 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
I hope the only thing the MEC says to Dic and Pedro tomorrow is "******* you". Our MEC should not work with these two anymore. Dic and Pedro have created an atmosphere that is negative. The rank and file will not come around to these two. They have lost us. Just like when a coach loses the locker, they never gain it back, and that is what these two have done. The rank and file want to quit over working with these two. This company cannot regain forward moment until they are gone, as we won't move and even if we did Pedro and Dic have no clue how to be leaders and created a posive plan. Bye, Dic and Pedro.

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Fellow Pilots,

For better or worse, I’ve shied away from sending large quantities of emails extolling my personal opinions. There were three conscious reasons for this. Number one: it was difficult to obtain from AAG accurate, forward-looking information regarding Envoy that was reliable enough to transmit. I don’t want to send incomplete or outright wrong information upon which career choices might be made. Two: I purposefully didn’t want my personality substituting for the collective voice of the MEC nor the voice of the MEC committees. The MEC under my watch is about teamwork and volunteers pulling together, and I didn’t want to distract from that or come between you and those working hard on your behalf. The third reason, and the reason for this email, is that I want management to speak directly to – and take action for – the Envoy pilots, and take ownership of the culture and morale here.

There’s a lot of good that ALPA can do — and does on a daily basis – but we don’t run the airline. We don’t control whether or not Envoy is an entity you’d be willing to go the extra mile for. We don’t control whether or not this is the kind of work environment you’d recommend to potential recruits.

2015 started with management turning away from a historically adversarial relationship with our pilot group and had all appearances of being a year where we would work together to beat our industry competitors. Contract and QOL enhancements in early 2015 forecasted a brighter future and, I think, engendered a can-do team spirit that led to actual teamwork and superior operational performance. Sadly, the year 2015 has ended – and 2016 has begun – on what appears to be a different note, with a flagging collective morale among our team.

Simultaneously, our peer competitors are witnessing gains in economics and quality of life while we languish with an industry lagging CBA. Recruitment and retention initiatives flourish elsewhere, but none are imminent here other than the Cadet program and our flow-through.

This brings me back to my third point above: management sets the tone and creates the culture. But I can offer my opinion in a forum such as this. In my opinion management must quickly:

1) Provide clarity regarding Envoy’s future. For months there have been rumors swirling of changes to our fleet plan, and our pilots deserve to know whether our fleet plan will remain stagnant or be hull positive or hull negative. Envoy has earned the right to be shell positive, and this news can’t come soon enough. Career choices will be made upon this information.

2) Create meaningful recruitment and retention initiatives. This is months overdue. AAG management believes there is value in our flow-through which allows them to keep our CBA discounted to other carriers. There is some element of truth to this, however the gap between our economics and OAL economics is quickly widening to the point where Envoy is no longer competitive among Part121 pilots. AAG must allow Envoy to quickly take steps to retain the talented pilots we have and create the conditions that will attract new hires.

3) Work to produce better schedules for commuters. AAG’s Network Planning must assign to Envoy flying that enables more commuter friendly schedules and Envoy’s management must discontinue their practice of holding back the best schedules in the name of spreadsheet efficiency. Envoy has contracted from having domiciles around the country to having only ORD and DFW, both in the middle of the country. Our schedules must simply take this into account. Bluntly, commuting is not a choice for many of our coworkers who have given up after uprooting their families’ multiple times this decade (imagine moving from BOS to SJU to MIA to NYC in an attempt to live in domicile!). Further, many of our pilots know they’ll soon flow to American Airlines, which likely has a domicile close to their present home.

I have remained engaged with management regarding these topics (and more) on a regular basis. I’ve offered input and advice as to what the MEC believes will build upon the positive elements of early 2015 but, ultimately, I don’t make the decisions nor do I write the checks.

Pedro Fábregas and Envoy management will visit with the MEC on Monday, February 22nd, and it’s my hope they’ll be sharing plans for how and when the above concerns can be addressed by Envoy and AAG. For our team, the news can’t come soon enough.

Moving forward in 2016, I’m going to start putting pen to pad more often with the intention of sharing my opinion and the best available information. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to email me for any reason at [email protected].

In Unity,
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Old 02-21-2016 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
I am assuming your post is in response to this:


Fellow Pilots,

For better or worse, I’ve shied away from sending large quantities of emails extolling my personal opinions. There were three conscious reasons for this. Number one: it was difficult to obtain from AAG accurate, forward-looking information regarding Envoy that was reliable enough to transmit. I don’t want to send incomplete or outright wrong information upon which career choices might be made. Two: I purposefully didn’t want my personality substituting for the collective voice of the MEC nor the voice of the MEC committees. The MEC under my watch is about teamwork and volunteers pulling together, and I didn’t want to distract from that or come between you and those working hard on your behalf. The third reason, and the reason for this email, is that I want management to speak directly to – and take action for – the Envoy pilots, and take ownership of the culture and morale here.

There’s a lot of good that ALPA can do — and does on a daily basis – but we don’t run the airline. We don’t control whether or not Envoy is an entity you’d be willing to go the extra mile for. We don’t control whether or not this is the kind of work environment you’d recommend to potential recruits.

2015 started with management turning away from a historically adversarial relationship with our pilot group and had all appearances of being a year where we would work together to beat our industry competitors. Contract and QOL enhancements in early 2015 forecasted a brighter future and, I think, engendered a can-do team spirit that led to actual teamwork and superior operational performance. Sadly, the year 2015 has ended – and 2016 has begun – on what appears to be a different note, with a flagging collective morale among our team.

Simultaneously, our peer competitors are witnessing gains in economics and quality of life while we languish with an industry lagging CBA. Recruitment and retention initiatives flourish elsewhere, but none are imminent here other than the Cadet program and our flow-through.

This brings me back to my third point above: management sets the tone and creates the culture. But I can offer my opinion in a forum such as this. In my opinion management must quickly:

1) Provide clarity regarding Envoy’s future. For months there have been rumors swirling of changes to our fleet plan, and our pilots deserve to know whether our fleet plan will remain stagnant or be hull positive or hull negative. Envoy has earned the right to be shell positive, and this news can’t come soon enough. Career choices will be made upon this information.

2) Create meaningful recruitment and retention initiatives. This is months overdue. AAG management believes there is value in our flow-through which allows them to keep our CBA discounted to other carriers. There is some element of truth to this, however the gap between our economics and OAL economics is quickly widening to the point where Envoy is no longer competitive among Part121 pilots. AAG must allow Envoy to quickly take steps to retain the talented pilots we have and create the conditions that will attract new hires.

3) Work to produce better schedules for commuters. AAG’s Network Planning must assign to Envoy flying that enables more commuter friendly schedules and Envoy’s management must discontinue their practice of holding back the best schedules in the name of spreadsheet efficiency. Envoy has contracted from having domiciles around the country to having only ORD and DFW, both in the middle of the country. Our schedules must simply take this into account. Bluntly, commuting is not a choice for many of our coworkers who have given up after uprooting their families’ multiple times this decade (imagine moving from BOS to SJU to MIA to NYC in an attempt to live in domicile!). Further, many of our pilots know they’ll soon flow to American Airlines, which likely has a domicile close to their present home.

I have remained engaged with management regarding these topics (and more) on a regular basis. I’ve offered input and advice as to what the MEC believes will build upon the positive elements of early 2015 but, ultimately, I don’t make the decisions nor do I write the checks.

Pedro Fábregas and Envoy management will visit with the MEC on Monday, February 22nd, and it’s my hope they’ll be sharing plans for how and when the above concerns can be addressed by Envoy and AAG. For our team, the news can’t come soon enough.

Moving forward in 2016, I’m going to start putting pen to pad more often with the intention of sharing my opinion and the best available information. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to email me for any reason at [email protected].

In Unity,
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Old 02-21-2016 | 07:16 PM
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more like pedro and dicky will tell them fu ck off and here is what you will do, alpa response, sure no problem. same playbook different month.
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Old 02-21-2016 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
more like pedro and dicky will tell them fu ck off and here is what you will do, alpa response, sure no problem. same playbook different month.
Unfortunately, your scenario will be closer to the truth.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
Unfortunately, your scenario will be closer to the truth.
Those two are without a doubt crushing the morale of envoy air. I believe AAG is mostly to blame. AAG needs to invest in there WO's. New airplanes and flow are not going to cut it!!!
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Old 02-22-2016 | 03:58 AM
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They'll just keep blaming us for the inability to recruit because of what gets said on social media sites. It's our fault this place sucks.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 04:20 AM
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That's rule number one in the bad leader playbook. Blame the other guy.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 05:41 AM
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He says in the letter that he meets with management all the time? What for, other than to present the ever-growing list of contract violations and grievances?

Another meeting today. Out of which we'll hear...what? The usual dismissive threat from management that "we have to remain competitive" in order to be viewed as a favorable recipient of whatever largesse AAG wants to hand down?

Maybe we'll present more grievances and air past complaints so that we can get the same tired responses about the flight file, how management likes having almost 40% of us on reserve, but don't forget about the flow and how great it is to be here!

Maybe we'll get no news. Nothing changes.

Maybe we'll get some good news. My cynicism could be misplaced. I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 06:21 AM
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FYI, been told through a source that evidently that email isn't true and that union leadership has been telling everyone to play nice with company.

Also, it appears they may have just violated their OWN contract by allowing a junior pilot to move to DFW ahead of everyone else.

Just keeps getting better and better.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980
FYI, been told through a source that evidently that email isn't true and that union leadership has been telling everyone to play nice with company.

Also, it appears they may have just violated their OWN contract by allowing a junior pilot to move to DFW ahead of everyone else.

Just keeps getting better and better.
What email are you talking about, if you're refereing to the one Bob loblaw posted on the last page of this thread, then you are wrong, Sam sent it out last night. If your stating that Sam lied in the email about being tired of this management, then I agree with you, Dic and Pedro get away with this crap because our MEC is this management's significant other. Otherwise I have no clue what email you are talking about.
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