FlameNSky

I actually fly with quite a few commuters that bid the CDOs because they are technically, commutable. The first day's show time isn't until 2000-2130 time frame and you are guaranteed to get done between 0600 - 0800 on your last day. You just have to find something to do with yourself during the daytime between the trips. After you use the 4 commuter hotels, maybe a drop or two or a transition legality, you have 4 days to worry about the whole month.

While I'm sure that 12 hour days in the crew room or crashpad isn't fun, they seem to feel its worth the ultra commutability on both ends.

PilotJ3

The company is providing a day hotel in base for the CDO people.

FlameNSky

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moon

I was under the impression that was only for reserves doing back to back CDOs, so no one.

AdiosMikeFox

Good for them, I'm glad they don't mind trying to occupy themselves for the 12 plus hours between trips. That also doesn't assume that all CDO lines went to commuters, or that all commuters are willing to accept the attempt to sleep in the crew lounge or midday in a crashpad when some CDO trips have 5 hours or so between legs at a hotel. That also leaves the more than one hundred lines that are mostly not commutable.

Not acceptable. The commutability took a dump when CDO's showed up. We got promised better schedules when we got CDO trips back, but is sure looks like those trips were made better for the locals, not the commuters who were hung out to dry.

AdiosMikeFox

You are correct. Reserve only. If the CDO line holders got day rooms those lines would go super senior.

adspilot

Why would a reserve do a back to back CDO? Unless it takes him into his last day for an early release.

It doesn't make sense that a reserve guy would pick up a back to back CDO.

cr700

I don't know what "propaganda" you are talking about, but Envoy has 28 new hires this month. Do you think that those new hires would be coming here if everything was as bad as the picture you paint? No.
They are coming here because they realize Envoy has turned the corner and is the only place to go if you want a guaranteed mainline job in 6 years.

You could go to a Mesa, TSA, Gojets or wherever and get that quick upgrade, get your 1000 PIC and sit there for 10 years before even an LCC might call you. I've got news for you. Envoy's upgrade is projected at about 2.5 years for someone hired today. So, I don't know how quick that upgrade at another bottom of the barrel company is really that much quicker than if you came to Envoy. Then, instead of waiting around 10 years to get hired at maybe an LCC, you go straight to the largest major airline in the world in 6 years. I don't know how you think you can beat that.

You may have heard but Republic is having trouble meeting their AA flight schedule. We are expecting some of their 175's to come here. Envoy continues to add to projected fleet count. Right now, we are at 155 aircraft by years end. That's about 15 above where we were projected to be by year end 2016. Not if, but when some of Republic's aircraft start showing up here, you'll see that fleet count continue to rise. With the 175 options out there, I wouldn't be surprised to see Envoy's fleet count get near 200 again at some point. It's obvious PSA isn't able to staff our CRJ's so I would expect those to continue being deferred indefinitely. Right now, they are deferred through the end of the year but unless PSA starts getting big numbers through the door, they aren't going anywhere.

All this means is many more Captain slots here at Envoy further dropping the upgrade time. And the flow continues unabated. We've already been notified that the flow isn't going to stop as Letter T pilots return to AA. Even flowing a few less this year and then getting back up to full speed next year still gets a new hire over to AA in six years.

You really need to evaluate what you post when you don't have facts.

Name User

A four day stretch of CDO's only requires one hotel room. That is why they tend to go pretty senior at least at my regional.

TurbineTime

It's only partially pilot staffing. BB is using bankruptcy to get rid of all of our oldest 170 type aircraft as well as the Q's and 145's. About 8 of the 20 we are getting rid of were on active routes, hence the reduction at the end of April and into May. We have been flying 170's on routes usually flown by 175's for the last 3 weeks, I'm sure BB and company are trying to load up hours on them right before they are surrendered.

On the hiring front, 21 new hires start class this week, plus some transfers.