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06-11-2016 | 04:54 PM
#3351
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You go to Envoy with the hopes of future promises your asking for trouble. They have no clue whatsoever what their future is. Their CEO has to beg for scraps from AAG.
Normaly it would make sense to plan long term with something like a decent flow, but going to Envoy now you gamble to much with current pay quality of life issues. You are essentialy paying Envoy directly out of your pocket right now with a hope of a flow. Your paying them with a crappy quality of life with only two bases, sitting on reserve forever, constant contract violations, ridiculous upgrade times, being treated less than human and well you get the idea.
To tell you how silly this hope of flow is look at it this way. If you were a pilot making 60000.00 a year and the company came to you and said we want you to take a paycut down to 45000.00 a year and you will obtain this flow language. If it does not work the way we say you still keep the paycut and you have no recourse against us even if it does not work, as we will not put in any protections at all for the pilot group. Would you sign in the dotted line?
Granted my numbers are just random numbers and I have not actually done the math to see how close that is, but I think you get the idea.
That does not include the added language that they will violate the contract any time they see fit, will create an environment that is abusive to the pilots and to add it all up coffee nazis lol.
Seriously how in the heck do they even get one or two bodies in class?
06-11-2016 | 05:10 PM
#3352
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06-11-2016 | 05:46 PM
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06-11-2016 | 06:00 PM
#3356
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Why does everything get so blown out of proportion. It was an email from the office secretary saying don't have food and drinks if you are using the computers.
Some sloppy idiot probably spilled a turbo large coke into a gate computer and was likely a jerk on top of that. So they said something.
Be reasonably professional and you will have no problems. Dont sit at the gate counter with a plate of spaghetti slopping it into your face. Who cares anyway. Nobody is going to get fired over setting a coffee cup down while u pick up the release. Jeez.. Just ignore it and go on with your life like everyone does. If I wanna have a cup in the airport I will have one. No big deal. Not too worried about it. Never even think about it again probably.
Some sloppy idiot probably spilled a turbo large coke into a gate computer and was likely a jerk on top of that. So they said something.
Be reasonably professional and you will have no problems. Dont sit at the gate counter with a plate of spaghetti slopping it into your face. Who cares anyway. Nobody is going to get fired over setting a coffee cup down while u pick up the release. Jeez.. Just ignore it and go on with your life like everyone does. If I wanna have a cup in the airport I will have one. No big deal. Not too worried about it. Never even think about it again probably.
Good managers (wouldn't allow their secretaries to send pointless all pilot blasts like that)
It's obvious the professionals you trust to fly your passengers don't need condescending email reminders of where to eat.
It's clueless disrespectful managers that are the problem.
You thought it wasn't directed at you. But they sent it to you didn't they? Obviously they thought you needed a reminder of where to eat. It's an issue of respect, and secretaries with too much authority.
06-11-2016 | 06:41 PM
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The issue is this was a one time random occurance.
Good managers (wouldn't allow their secretaries to send pointless all pilot blasts like that)
It's obvious the professionals you trust to fly your passengers don't need condescending email reminders of where to eat.
It's clueless disrespectful managers that are the problem.
You thought it wasn't directed at you. But they sent it to you didn't they? Obviously they thought you needed a reminder of where to eat. It's an issue of respect, and secretaries with too much authority.
Good managers (wouldn't allow their secretaries to send pointless all pilot blasts like that)
It's obvious the professionals you trust to fly your passengers don't need condescending email reminders of where to eat.
It's clueless disrespectful managers that are the problem.
You thought it wasn't directed at you. But they sent it to you didn't they? Obviously they thought you needed a reminder of where to eat. It's an issue of respect, and secretaries with too much authority.
I just had this discussion with a person in the medical field. They laughed their butts off. If a Dr. Spilled a drink on a terminal no way on Gods green earth would the hospital secretary send out a blanket email to all the Doctors telling them to not have drinks at their workstations. Reminding them that spilling garbage is not good for the sensitive computers.
Seriously, wonder what type of damage can be caused by a pilot spilling his or her coffee on the fms. I guess they need to stop all beverages on the flight deck as well. A PC getting damaged at a gate has less impact to the safety of a flight than spilling garbage on the flight deck.
Make no mistake here, that email can and will be used against you. You don't have the right to remain silent, and your a guilty until proven otherwise. That is how this company operates and your in Denial if you think otherwise.
Pilots at Envoy already have to answer to managers that have one tenth the education and qualifications and training they hold. They have more responsibility of making it through training, taking check rides passing medicals, and ensuring the safety of every passenger aboard their aircraft. Now they have to listen to some secretary lecture them on where it is acceptable to drink a cup of joe. Insulting is an understatement.
06-11-2016 | 07:54 PM
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Not really sure if there was any question that was asked or needed to be answered.
Seeing how you need to be entertained and impressed, let me give you this tiny bit of information. If you place two apples in a bucket and then place 3 more apples in that same bucket, providing you leave all those apples in said bucket, there would be a total of 5 apples. I know crazy, but really, try it. Go get yourself a bucket and round up some apples then place them in the bucket as I said. Crazy stuff too, it won't even matter if they are red or green apples, still works the same.
That should keep you impressed and busy for at least a week. But after you have gotten that down you come back here and we can then work on colors. Colors will blow your mind.
Until then let the adults talk here.
Seeing how you need to be entertained and impressed, let me give you this tiny bit of information. If you place two apples in a bucket and then place 3 more apples in that same bucket, providing you leave all those apples in said bucket, there would be a total of 5 apples. I know crazy, but really, try it. Go get yourself a bucket and round up some apples then place them in the bucket as I said. Crazy stuff too, it won't even matter if they are red or green apples, still works the same.
That should keep you impressed and busy for at least a week. But after you have gotten that down you come back here and we can then work on colors. Colors will blow your mind.
Until then let the adults talk here.
06-11-2016 | 07:55 PM
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I just had this discussion with a person in the medical field. They laughed their butts off. If a Dr. Spilled a drink on a terminal no way on Gods green earth would the hospital secretary send out a blanket email to all the Doctors telling them to not have drinks at their workstations. Reminding them that spilling garbage is not good for the sensitive computers.
Seriously, wonder what type of damage can be caused by a pilot spilling his or her coffee on the fms. I guess they need to stop all beverages on the flight deck as well. A PC getting damaged at a gate has less impact to the safety of a flight than spilling garbage on the flight deck.
Make no mistake here, that email can and will be used against you. You don't have the right to remain silent, and your a guilty until proven otherwise. That is how this company operates and your in Denial if you think otherwise.
Pilots at Envoy already have to answer to managers that have one tenth the education and qualifications and training they hold. They have more responsibility of making it through training, taking check rides passing medicals, and ensuring the safety of every passenger aboard their aircraft. Now they have to listen to some secretary lecture them on where it is acceptable to drink a cup of joe. Insulting is an understatement.
Seriously, wonder what type of damage can be caused by a pilot spilling his or her coffee on the fms. I guess they need to stop all beverages on the flight deck as well. A PC getting damaged at a gate has less impact to the safety of a flight than spilling garbage on the flight deck.
Make no mistake here, that email can and will be used against you. You don't have the right to remain silent, and your a guilty until proven otherwise. That is how this company operates and your in Denial if you think otherwise.
Pilots at Envoy already have to answer to managers that have one tenth the education and qualifications and training they hold. They have more responsibility of making it through training, taking check rides passing medicals, and ensuring the safety of every passenger aboard their aircraft. Now they have to listen to some secretary lecture them on where it is acceptable to drink a cup of joe. Insulting is an understatement.
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