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06-20-2016 | 07:24 AM

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While that is true , I still believe envoy will turn around and will be able to attract new hires once they raise their pay, which rumor has it will be the highest .

06-20-2016 | 07:28 AM

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While that is true , I still believe envoy will turn around and will be able to attract new hires once they raise their pay, which rumor has it will be the highest .

You don't work for the airline, or in the industry yet, and you're making a decision on rumors you've heard and no one actually there has? You need to take a few more months before you join the airlines....

06-20-2016 | 07:47 AM

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While that is true , I still believe envoy will turn around and will be able to attract new hires once they raise their pay, which rumor has it will be the highest .

This is a very naive way of choosing an airline.

06-20-2016 | 08:25 AM

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While that is true , I still believe envoy will turn around and will be able to attract new hires once they raise their pay, which rumor has it will be the highest .

Haven't they already pretty much done that for new-hires ?

A pay cut the second year coupled with a snail race to the left seat won't likely change anything and even if Envoy instituted pay raises (wait till the APA throws Parker's claim of not altering CBA's outside of section 6 back in his face after that), it wouldn't be by much, maybe a buck or two per hour.

I still have difficulty seeing a stampede to Envoy indoc with that. Remember, pilots are notorious for career paralyzation when it comes to unsucklng themselves from their present bosom unless it has run dry. The non-121 stream is all but dry now and the idea the WO's will "churn" anything outside themselves is folly IMO.

06-20-2016 | 09:33 AM

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This is a very naive way of choosing an airline.

I wouldn't say it's naive , I have spent many weeks researching and talking with people , while my first option everyone seems to be happy , I feel that envoy will do somethng and will be the airline of choice , along with the flow it will be a nice option if no one bites .

06-20-2016 | 10:59 AM

#3456

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"Flow" huh?

So how well versed are you regarding arbitration?

06-20-2016 | 12:22 PM

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What did I miss ? Every pilot that I have talked to seems to be happy for the most past here . They did inform me of the usual.

Two things, you said here you don't work here yet, so was that a slip or do you work here and are trying to make envoy sound good? Because nobody on here said it was a good place.

06-20-2016 | 12:23 PM

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While that is true , I still believe envoy will turn around and will be able to attract new hires once they raise their pay, which rumor has it will be the highest .

That was already laughed off last week. You obviously work for envoy management

06-20-2016 | 12:24 PM

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I don't work here, trying to decide which route to go , I have just talked to pilots that I know work at envoy .

06-20-2016 | 12:42 PM

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I don't work here, trying to decide which route to go , I have just talked to pilots that I know work at envoy .

Coming here is a risky choice that has the potential to pay off huge. As I've said before, if you are young and live close to DFW or ORD I would come here. That's my opinion. The potential for a 30 plus year at AA is nothing to scoff at. If it pans out awe$ome!! If it doesn't, nothing is stopping you from applying elsewhere.

Good luck in training.