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Old 06-25-2016, 11:32 AM
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The two year commitment for the 15k bonus is making me feel a bit uneasy.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvl410 View Post
The two year commitment for the 15k bonus is making me feel a bit uneasy.
...why? the company is desperate but not stupid!!!
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:43 AM
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the PP is outside the 824 arbitration award. The PP is a negotiated item in the CBA. Therefore it is open to violation by management at its whim as the rest of the contract. Whether in CH11 or not, it is a negotiated item, I do not even think the BK judge had to sign off on it either.
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Old 06-25-2016, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
the PP is outside the 824 arbitration award. The PP is a negotiated item in the CBA. Therefore it is open to violation by management at its whim as the rest of the contract. Whether in CH11 or not, it is a negotiated item, I do not even think the BK judge had to sign off on it either.
Agreed, While some want to rationalize it as carrying special weight, it is no more bulletproof then any other contractual provision. Unless something unforeseen and monumental alters Envoys recruitment and attrition, a day of reckoning looms where difficult decisions will have to made. The present tacks of kick the can, moving the furniture around the house to fill a presently used room or burning it for heat at some point will be insufficient.

They question is when and then what is there next move.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:07 PM
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Is that bonus awarded after IOE or the first day of groundschool?
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mistek89 View Post
Is that bonus awarded after IOE or the first day of groundschool?
You should know. This thread is being used by only a couple people. 1 person acting as 4 people, and a few of us pointing out the bullthat 1/4 is saying.

Envoy should be one of the last choices for a new hire. ENY, PDT, AND PSA are the three worst regionals to work for. Picking which one is the the worst, well that just depends on what you want to be the criteria, they all are terrible.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:27 PM
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It's funny, there never is good said about ENY on the line and on forums. As soon as Envoy has to pick up hiring because they allow themselves to fall way behind, you get a couple of guys making ENY seem good. But even what they push is junk, they say it won't last long, you'll only be here 6 years. Yet magically if that 6 was true, you'd have a crappy six years.

STAY AWAY FROM ENVOY, the only cheerleaders on here are on recruitment, and small guy in management. Our union should let potential new hires listen in on conference calls, then they would get the real story on how bad things are here right now
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Smutter View Post
It's funny, there never is good said about ENY on the line and on forums. As soon as Envoy has to pick up hiring because they allow themselves to fall way behind, you get a couple of guys making ENY seem good. But even what they push is junk, they say it won't last long, you'll only be here 6 years. Yet magically if that 6 was true, you'd have a crappy six years.

STAY AWAY FROM ENVOY, the only cheerleaders on here are on recruitment, and small guy in management. Our union should let potential new hires listen in on conference calls, then they would get the real story on how bad things are here right now

Envoy works if you're brand new to the airlines and want to be based in Dfw, honestly. I think it's a better option than Mesa or xjt. But, other than that, you're kind of right.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:54 PM
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Most if not all these bash posts aren't current envoy pilots.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by N927EV View Post
Envoy works if you're brand new to the airlines and want to be based in Dfw, honestly. I think it's a better option than Mesa or xjt. But, other than that, you're kind of right.
I agree with you agreeing with me. Xjt seems to be on a long, very slow, winding down. Mesa completely screwed up the golden egg AAG was trying to give it(our flying, when we kept telling AAG to pound sand).
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