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#2961
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Personally, I don't think a BK is the most likely path. Once staffing gets critical there, all it will take is a sit down and any number of more unpleasant scenarios could be laid out for Envoy ALPA then agreement to meter the flow to lower levels as part of a stand alone plan or consolidation with another carrier. In Envoy's defense, they will really have no choice the next time unless they can pull a genie out of the bottle to invent a steady throng of 35-40 new-hires in perpetuity.
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You're dreaming my friend. ANY, and I mean ANY aspect of your contract is fair game in Chapter 11. The Chapter 11 you went through previously was a piggyback of AA's and your issues then will have little resemblence to any future proceeding as a result of pilot staffing a'la RAH. AMR didn't touch your contract because your own Union fleeced it's own pilots into thinking there was an 1113 when there wasn't and that's how they got capitulations. See, they were privately given the choice of bad or worse and then gussied it up to convince YOU to accept bad, that being concessions outside of 1113. History can easily repeat itself if the right card is played against your Union again, i.e., bad or worse.
.....and the explanation of the reality you are in deep denial over only took 1 paragraph.![Wink](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
.....and the explanation of the reality you are in deep denial over only took 1 paragraph.
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The MEC toed nationals line and will again in a bad and worse scenario.
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Are we all wrong or do you believe Envoy will soon pull a rabbit out of a hat ? If so, could you explain to us all just how an airline that is losing more pilots then it hires will function as is, including the flow in perpetuity ?
I'm all ears.
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Sorry, EF is right on this one. The 1113 was the stick they threatened is with, the bankruptcy contract with the "promise" of the 175's was the carrot. We signed, they gave the 175's to RAH.
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I think that they are over a year behind the ball in what they finally offered during the first quarter of this year, and that the longer they wait, the less effective any incentives will be but they have the money, they will put it up, just not until it is almost too late. It's the AMR/AAG way.
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Do you really think that they are just going to sit there and go, hmm, "I don't know what to do", while doing nothing? They have already instituted several incentives, although we all agree that they were/are inadequate. Common sense would suggest that they will be offering more incentives. Even Endeavor didn't end up with what they have all at once. They are on Rev 4, I believe.
I think that they are over a year behind the ball in what they finally offered during the first quarter of this year, and that the longer they wait, the less effective any incentives will be but they have the money, they will put it up, just not until it is almost too late. It's the AMR/AAG way.
I think that they are over a year behind the ball in what they finally offered during the first quarter of this year, and that the longer they wait, the less effective any incentives will be but they have the money, they will put it up, just not until it is almost too late. It's the AMR/AAG way.
Look, I'd like to see them ante up and I agree it is they (Envoy management) that needs to do it, but it is AAG that must give them the right tools and so far, they haven't. In the interim an already parched pilot asset well only dries further. What happens when Envoy has 15% less pilots by the Holidays, but the same feed allocation ?
I shudder to think about it. If you ask me, they're already so far behind the power curve they're almost certain to plow into the approach lights. I hope your right, because I have strong doubts considering their performance so far.
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...need help listing for spirit, anyone know the code to enter, if so, please pm. I need to list for a flight to Lga. i browsed through the JS reciprocal agreement and didn't find anything there or I may have possibly missed it
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