You MIGHT be right, but how long are they gonna stay?
When they're going to experience the schedules, the long time on reserve, and all the small things that destroy you QOL, they'll be discouraged like a lot of people at Envoy. The 15K bonus will not do anything about it.

 

Something to keep in mind if deciding between Skywest and envoy is relative seniority and how quickly you will move up and out. It's no secret that Skywest has been approaching 100/month in hiring while envoy is only about 20ish. Envoy is about 60% the size of Skywest yet is only getting 20% of the amount of new-hires that Skywest is. Both seem to be roughly equal in attrition. What all this means is if things stay the same (huge if) then you would move up the list quicker at envoy. Now I'm not talking about which company will give you better qol or treat you better, I'm talking strictly numbers.

Remember, what's good today isn't what's necessarily good tomorrow. Take a look at PSA, PDT, Republic, and really any regional airline out there. To say Skywest is the place to go is a very broad statement, especially when every month they've hired and you're still building time, 100 new pilots come in ahead of you.

 

Oh envoy thread. Always the lulz. "Nobody can staff their flying!" "Well SKW is hiring 100/mo." "Don't go to Skywest because they're hiring so many!"

Then when no one wants to go to your stagnant regional with awful schedules and get abused on RSV forever it's because they have SJS. Right.

 

Wouldn't you want 100 people coming in behind you each month thus moving you off reserve faster as compared to only 5 people a month . I'm sure that would be the case crj ORD

 

This makes no sense and obviously no one would take the CRJ because it doesn't have engines under the wings!!1!1!1!!!

 

Or you could look at it the other way, at Skywest you have 1,000 people just recently hired in front of you in the last year that aren't going anywhere due to being mostly non-competitive very low time new hires. Stagnating your upward progression, Skywest probably has even more lifers than Eagle who aren't leaving as well.

We may not have nearly as many new hires but our overall attrition off the top due to flow (30/mo when it starts back up full speed after Summer recalls) and off the middle of our list is probably higher than anywhere. Who else has 40+ people going to Legacy/Major Airlines a month?

Just another way to look at it.

 

I would take crj because it guarantees an ORD base

 

It's not how many people below you, is how much above you leave.

 

Is envoy really that bad of a place to work ? From personally speaking to employees they seems to say it's not bad but have no certainty in the future . Base and flow seem to be the benefits for me but all the negativity I read and hear about makes me think twice .

 

No airline has a certainty of a future. In the current pilot supply market, I'd argue the WO have a better prospect than most. One may or may not believe that the flow will continue to work as advertised but do we have any more guarantee that senior RAH, Skywest or Mesa Captains will leave ( get hired elsewhere ) at any guaranteed rate? If United & Delta keep setting up pref interview/Flowthrough agreements, those opportunities will become fewer & fewer. At an AA WOed you keep both options open.