New Envoy Information
04-19-2016, 09:26 AM
#2422
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How could anyone not see that American Airlines Group would be one of the worst?? Look how the passengers and customers are treated. This place is run by bean counters, not leaders. It should be employees, customers, shareholders. Not shareholders, maybe? customers, then employees dead last. Happy employees equal happy customers.
04-19-2016, 09:34 AM
#2423
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
How could anyone not see that American Airlines Group would be one of the worst?? Look how the passengers and customers are treated. This place is run by bean counters, not leaders. It should be employees, customers, shareholders. Not shareholders, maybe? customers, then employees dead last. Happy employees equal happy customers.
The same is true for the management at envoy. The Ric Wilsons, Neiders, and Pedro's of the world are just interested in self preservation of their cushy office jobs. They aren't flowing. They know they have a great family job that pays well, as long as they do whatever they are told to do by their puppeteers. This way, somehow, the puppeteers have once or more removed themselves from the lies.
04-19-2016, 09:45 AM
#2424
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Position: forever fo
Posts: 2,413
This is the United states it's sad how greed and making money is more important than taking care of each other and being a loving tribal unit. It is what it is though it's the modern industrial world. Look on the bright side you didn't die of mumps at 4.
If you think the belly aching above is unique to American your out of touch with reality. The only slightly different culture is Delta, and you need decide if you want to spend 25-40 years of your short time on this planet in the cockpit with the pilots at delta.
If you think the belly aching above is unique to American your out of touch with reality. The only slightly different culture is Delta, and you need decide if you want to spend 25-40 years of your short time on this planet in the cockpit with the pilots at delta.
04-19-2016, 10:19 AM
#2425
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Posts: 540
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Ahh yes yet another gem from a management propagandist.
This is what people trying to gleam anything from all this should be looking for: the tidbits of truth they don't even know they are spewing.
I took away all the BS. This person admits people are trying to "ruin the furniture". Why do you think that is? Why are so many people, who are supposed to be so happy about flowing after 16 years, doing this? The truth lies within these little tidbits, and that truth is they are trying to gloss over that daily life at envoy, past the shiny jet stage, is nothing but a grind with very few days off. These nasty and stupid management types are your slave drivers.
But don't worry, you have an airtight flow! The same airtight flow that suckered in the guys now flowing, just 16 years ago.
Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it. That saying has stood the test of time because of its pure virtue.
This is what people trying to gleam anything from all this should be looking for: the tidbits of truth they don't even know they are spewing.
I took away all the BS. This person admits people are trying to "ruin the furniture". Why do you think that is? Why are so many people, who are supposed to be so happy about flowing after 16 years, doing this? The truth lies within these little tidbits, and that truth is they are trying to gloss over that daily life at envoy, past the shiny jet stage, is nothing but a grind with very few days off. These nasty and stupid management types are your slave drivers.
But don't worry, you have an airtight flow! The same airtight flow that suckered in the guys now flowing, just 16 years ago.
Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it. That saying has stood the test of time because of its pure virtue.
04-19-2016, 01:15 PM
#2426
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: CRJ
Posts: 267
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
But wait there is more!
Forbes just weighed in and thank goodness, AA comes 10th, out of 13. envoy is in 12th.
But amazing things are happening at the worlds biggest airline and little
Bro!
Forbes just weighed in and thank goodness, AA comes 10th, out of 13. envoy is in 12th.
But amazing things are happening at the worlds biggest airline and little
Bro!
...instead of their management???
04-19-2016, 02:15 PM
#2428
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by Romulus
How many Envoy pilots want to blame their union for this? Or other airline pilots?
...instead of their management???
...instead of their management???
Did Alpa understaff the airline to create delays and cancellations?
Did Alpa make the descion to defer MX as long as possible so the plane doesn't sit, just to have the plane to crap out even more and need a day of repair
Did Alpa decide to pay all employees the lowest wages possible and make them work more for less. Which knocked their morale to nothing.
Did the older guys(baby-boomers) bow down to management's request and give up rules and protections for a couple of dollars more. Well you got me there, they did. But even then, it's the dumbass suits that requested all that stuff. The worst generation ever unfortunately allowed it.
04-19-2016, 03:25 PM
#2429
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Posts: 547
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
It's being run by people that don't have a care in the world about others. Humanity and morality are gone. Doofy Doug and his cast of Delta management wannabes are just fleecing this place for all its worth. In the end, the board and shareholders will make out. The employees will be left with a dying airline that lost its customer base to airlines that put effort into retaining them.
The same is true for the management at envoy. The Ric Wilsons, Neiders, and Pedro's of the world are just interested in self preservation of their cushy office jobs. They aren't flowing. They know they have a great family job that pays well, as long as they do whatever they are told to do by their puppeteers. This way, somehow, the puppeteers have once or more removed themselves from the lies.
The same is true for the management at envoy. The Ric Wilsons, Neiders, and Pedro's of the world are just interested in self preservation of their cushy office jobs. They aren't flowing. They know they have a great family job that pays well, as long as they do whatever they are told to do by their puppeteers. This way, somehow, the puppeteers have once or more removed themselves from the lies.
04-19-2016, 03:40 PM
#2430
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: CRJ
Posts: 267
Originally Posted by DilsonWic
Why would we blame anyone but the people running the show???
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