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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Why would AAG want to add in a bunch of pilots who are already at envoy pay caps? Why not get them at 1st year pay instead?
Because too many would leave and the transition would be far too unstable. Investors don't like instability in acquisitions. Too many other assets would be lost in the shuffle as well and the valuation wouldn't hold up in court as the best reorganization plan.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I disagree. First of all, RAH consolidation is simply ONE option, but I think it's the most likely. It's not the ONLY option.



No, the pilots are NOT "clearly identified" (by name). It is a contractual provision and just like you management has proven MULTIPLE times in just the last year or two alone, it is subject to interpretation. Considering the position Envoy is in with most of its fleet of limited lifespan, it will be easy for AAG to craft a "win-win" scenario for all pilots in such a scenario. but compromise will be necessary. Not interested in that ?

Fine, but you know what and how AAG can play you and you won't like it.



Actually, it MUCH easier to merge. Mergers are more then just about aircraft, they are about assets (pilots being one), infrastructure, market share and capital valuation. It's actually much simpler then you think.
You're right. It's not by name. It's defined as pilots "added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011."
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980
Would AAG really give RAH pilots flow? Oh lord, if that happens, might as well shut the Envoy doors! Every fresh pilot left would avoid us like it's the Bad News Bears.

Oh wait.....

Yes and no.

Some of the flow is awarded to pilots who were on the property at the time. Anything after that is fair game if the contract is changed.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Because too many would leave and the transition would be far too unstable. Investors don't like instability in acquisitions. Too many other assets would be lost in the shuffle as well and the valuation wouldn't hold up in court as the best reorganization plan.
Do you have a law degree?
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Yes and no.

Some of the flow is awarded to pilots who were on the property at the time. Anything after that is fair game if the contract is changed.
Correct. Everyone hired after October 11th, 2011.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
You're right. It's not by name. It's defined as pilots "added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before..."
Which is NEGOTIABLE by your Collective Bargaining Representative. Again, you don't have to play, but in this situation, the likely alternative presented to Envoy would be worse for Envoy pilots. Parker and Glass will know JUST how to play such a situation, you can be sure of that.

If you do some research, you'll note multiple instances in the past where Eagle/Envoy MEC's have been in the situation of choosing the best of two bad options. The consolidation option I'm talking about anyway ISN'T with Envoy and so your CBA may not be the issue. If they are merged with PSA (or less likely Piedmont), then Parker is closer to his "balanced" regional ideal. The flow slots then would be a product of PSA and those don't count for Envoy. You'd still get 50% or whatever it is, but just a much smaller number and THAT is my point about "sharing the flow" with new brothers.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Correct. Everyone hired after October 11th, 2011.
If RAH and PSA merge, you still get your "percentages" or minimums based on "new-hires", so nothing changes. Of course, since there is likely to be even less street "new-hires", the effect on Envoy's flow will be the same.

Slower.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Yes and no.

Some of the flow is awarded to pilots who were on the property at the time. Anything after that is fair game if the contract is changed.

Ah, I see. But that's IF there is a merger or acquisition.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 03:00 PM
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Yes, if, and there there would appear to be multiple opportunities for AAG to merge their regional carriers and they have elected not to do so. I don't foresee any merger or purchase. They like the whipsaw waaaay too much.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Do you have a law degree?

He would've let us know. Multiple times by now. Until all of APC knew it.
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