New Envoy Information
02-26-2016, 07:57 PM
#1441
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Originally Posted by ag386
Envoy pilots. After AA, the most arrogant on the planet. What a d****e statement.
02-27-2016, 07:45 AM
#1442
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Posts: 540
Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Awe, buddy. Did I make you feel excluded? I'm sorry. Hey everybody, please don't pay any attention to ag386 either, he is also just a troll. You were hired at envoy in 2013, yes? Or was it 2011? No that's right, you are an PDT pilot. I really can't keep all your lies straight. I am sure neither can you.
Envoy pilots may or may not be arrogant D bags but here you are, not even an envoy pilot choosing to spend your free time with us. We may be d bags, but what does that say about you? Sad, my friend, sad.
Envoy pilots may or may not be arrogant D bags but here you are, not even an envoy pilot choosing to spend your free time with us. We may be d bags, but what does that say about you? Sad, my friend, sad.
I mean, look at you. You are so concerned about where I work and where eaglefly works instead of the message we've been putting out. You are focusing on something else to keep your mind off the company you know is screwing you but can't admit it.
You are the reverend of the pack and your silence on this board since the company metered speaks volumes. I hope you enjoy your lonnnng career at Envoy. Because it's going to be long, very long. On the bright side, you'll be in line at LGA with a "mainline type" aircraft behind Republic.
02-27-2016, 09:07 AM
#1445
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Most airlines wish they had our problem of "only"'flowing 30/month. Yeah...life is so miserable here. Enjoy Allegient! LMAO
02-27-2016, 09:27 AM
#1446
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Most airlines wish they had our problem of "only"'flowing 30/month. Yeah...life is so miserable here. Enjoy Allegient! LMAO
But they left. After one year making the same they would have at Envoy they upgraded. Now they are making $118,410 a year. Oh and they also live at home and might average 14 days off and 1 overnight a month due to a broken airplane. If they had stayed at Envoy I'll assume they would have upgraded at the end of 2017 (unlikely) but still are on the road 20 nights a month.
Just based off junior line days off and guarantee:
In 2015 their pay is the same it would have been at Envoy but they have 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2016 they will make 83,880 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2017 they will make 84,720 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
At the start of 2018 we'll assume they upgrade at Envoy but now they are on the bottom of the rsv list commuting across the country.
In 2018 they still make 51,660 more at Allegiant than Envoy but now they are home 101 more days and in their own bed 281 more nights.
In 2019 they make 50,700 more at Allegiant.
In 2020 they flow to American but in the 5 years at Envoy they lose out on $270,960, 447 days off 1246 nights in their own bed. And on first year pay at AA they are still making 52,416 less than Allegiant and on the road way more. With that $270,960 that they made at Allegiant if they put that money away in a low risk account with an average 5% return on investment by the time they retire they will have 1,478,183.96.
So who is laughing now?
02-27-2016, 09:32 AM
#1447
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Originally Posted by ag386
The latest guy to flow is a September 1999 hire. It's gonna take a while to get to your 2011 hire date.
How long WILL it take for a 2011 hire to flow over?
Last edited by boiler07; 02-27-2016 at 09:43 AM.
02-27-2016, 09:35 AM
#1448
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Posts: 490
Originally Posted by shfo
I would not be laughing at that Allegiant pilot. We have had a few FOs leave in the past couple of years. I know 3 2011 hires who left in 2014. If they would have stayed, they would be junior line holders commuting half way across the country for uncommutable 4 day trips with 11 days off worth 72 hours.
But they left. After one year making the same they would have at Envoy they upgraded. Now they are making $118,410 a year. Oh and they also live at home and might average 14 days off and 1 overnight a month due to a broken airplane. If they had stayed at Envoy I'll assume they would have upgraded at the end of 2017 (unlikely) but still are on the road 20 nights a month.
Just based off junior line days off and guarantee:
In 2015 their pay is the same it would have been at Envoy but they have 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2016 they will make 83,880 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2017 they will make 84,720 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
At the start of 2018 we'll assume they upgrade at Envoy but now they are on the bottom of the rsv list commuting across the country.
In 2018 they still make 51,660 more at Allegiant than Envoy but now they are home 101 more days and in their own bed 281 more nights.
In 2019 they make 50,700 more at Allegiant.
In 2020 they flow to American but in the 5 years at Envoy they lose out on $270,960, 447 days off 1246 nights in their own bed. And on first year pay at AA they are still making 52,416 less than Allegiant and on the road way more. With that $270,960 that they made at Allegiant if they put that money away in a low risk account with an average 5% return on investment by the time they retire they will have 1,478,183.96.
So who is laughing now?
But they left. After one year making the same they would have at Envoy they upgraded. Now they are making $118,410 a year. Oh and they also live at home and might average 14 days off and 1 overnight a month due to a broken airplane. If they had stayed at Envoy I'll assume they would have upgraded at the end of 2017 (unlikely) but still are on the road 20 nights a month.
Just based off junior line days off and guarantee:
In 2015 their pay is the same it would have been at Envoy but they have 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2016 they will make 83,880 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
In 2017 they will make 84,720 more than Envoy with another 72 more days at home and 228 more nights in their own bed.
At the start of 2018 we'll assume they upgrade at Envoy but now they are on the bottom of the rsv list commuting across the country.
In 2018 they still make 51,660 more at Allegiant than Envoy but now they are home 101 more days and in their own bed 281 more nights.
In 2019 they make 50,700 more at Allegiant.
In 2020 they flow to American but in the 5 years at Envoy they lose out on $270,960, 447 days off 1246 nights in their own bed. And on first year pay at AA they are still making 52,416 less than Allegiant and on the road way more. With that $270,960 that they made at Allegiant if they put that money away in a low risk account with an average 5% return on investment by the time they retire they will have 1,478,183.96.
So who is laughing now?
What assumptions are you making about the career progression of allegiant pilots?
Your "objective" facts leave out half the story. But it's ok, we're used to it.
02-27-2016, 09:53 AM
#1449
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Allegiant is one unmaintained aircraft crash away from shutting down. With all the major maintenance problems they have daily it is just a matter of time. How do the calculations work out then? Have fun over there. Enjoy your monthly non commutable TDY to BFE.
02-27-2016, 09:56 AM
#1450
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Allegiant is one unmaintained aircraft crash away from shutting down. With all the major maintenance problems they have daily it is just a matter of time. How do the calculations work out then? Have fun over there. Enjoy your monthly non commutable TDY to BFE.
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