BobJenkins

I can say this about Envoy: They seem like a solid company, and ever Envoy pilot to whom I have spoken, either in person or via PM here on APC said if they were to be starting today, they would choose Envoy again. None were happy about the long reserve/upgrade times. I have spoken to 5-yr FOs, and 10-yr CAs, as well as a mix in between. The company has weathered some tough times, and my hat is off to those who toughed it out, believing in the company, and not jumping like a rat from a sinking ship. I am sure many considered it, probably more than once, but those who have stayed have helped the company stay afloat.

And I say all of this having no skin in their game. I have done some of my own math, and personally, I would be very surprised if we don't see much better movement there within the next 6 months, continuing for the next 2-3 years.

And for those talking about FO pay caps at 4 years... compare today's 4 year rate to last year's 4-year rate. To me, a cap makes sense, provided the upward movement actually comes into play. It makes no business sense to incentivize FOs past 4 years (provided that there is room to upgrade). Move up, or get out, I say.

cali2797

Dumbest statement ever!

FirstClass

They don't know any better.

FirstClass

The difference between highest and lowest is 250 per week. You are getting excited about nothing.

BobJenkins

I'm not excited; if anything, I am depressed.

And $250 a week may mean little to you, but to some, it's the difference between barely existing and being comfortable. At the very least, it's a few hotel rooms while on reserve.

Skyvector

Firstclass works for PSA..has never worked for Envoy. Enough said.

AnotherEagleGuy

By usual sustpects you mean your other Troll names? Who are you today? Thrustlever, Lord Hummus, Eaglefly? You were an idiot then, nothing has changed. Most people know you well enough to not listen to the spew that comes out of your mouth. I just feel sorry for the newer younger members who actually might take you seriously.

eaglefly

More anger-fueled personal attack. Obviously, emotion has gotten the better of you. Since you're convinced most apparently doesn't listen to my spew, why have you twisted yourself into such a pretzel, especially since you supposedly don't work at Envoy any more ?

Tranquilty now, tranquility now, tranquility now.............

Beretta01

It's hilarious watching you guys argue.

I would imagine it's not that much different from sitting at a lunch table in Kindergarten.

Eject

Think of the -$250/month as an insurance policy. If you bust an altitude and get violated, you don't have to explain it in your Delta interview (if you are so lucky to ever get one), as you already have a guaranteed job with AA. If you lose or don't want to keep a log book, you don't have to worry...because you already have a job with AA. If you fail a check ride once, or every year during recurrent, you won't have to explain it in your United interview (if you are lucky enough to ever get one), as you already have a guaranteed job with AA. If you get a few speeding tickets, a bankruptcy, a minor misdemeanor (stuff happens), you don't have to explain it at your FedEx interview....just sayin'!