If anyone is seeking information about Envoy, I would strongly caution against listening to people who either:

#1: Have never worked at Envoy

Or

#2: No longer work at Envoy and have an axe to grind.

Not only are they pushing an agenda and feel a need to justify their move, they harbor deep bitter feelings towards a management group that no longer exists post merger with US Airways.

eaglefly and emb145 are but two examples. Not even when I was an officer in the military and had to babysit a squadron did I see so much crap and immaturity be flung around. You give civilian trained pilots a bad name that they don't deserve.

 

One could also add those who have motives for personal gain at the expense of others, like yourself and other loyal members of the SOS. But, your latest blast is something I agree with and have said so several times, i.e., pilots should decide for THEMSELVES. But clearly, the projected, then "suggested" numbers don't add up and that too is something that should be considered. Apparently, any "agenda" that doesn't serve your needs is immaturity, even when accompanied by facts, like the required number of upgrades and new-hires to meet the projected/suggested claims that are all but unattainable.

As for your background (irrelevant as it is), you claim to have had to "babysit" a WHOLE SQUADRON ? That's not a glowing endorsement of your past situations, by any means. Sounds like a lot of "babies" there.

Is there any possibility that you were part of the problem and not the solution ?

Over on EL, they're talking about "classes of 2", which I assume to be either upgrades or new-hires (god, I hope it's not both). If true, it sounds like the 35/month engine has already stalled.

 

Every single pilot who doesn't live in base.

 

I can say this about Envoy: They seem like a solid company, and ever Envoy pilot to whom I have spoken, either in person or via PM here on APC said if they were to be starting today, they would choose Envoy again. None were happy about the long reserve/upgrade times. I have spoken to 5-yr FOs, and 10-yr CAs, as well as a mix in between. The company has weathered some tough times, and my hat is off to those who toughed it out, believing in the company, and not jumping like a rat from a sinking ship. I am sure many considered it, probably more than once, but those who have stayed have helped the company stay afloat.

And I say all of this having no skin in their game. I have done some of my own math, and personally, I would be very surprised if we don't see much better movement there within the next 6 months, continuing for the next 2-3 years.

And for those talking about FO pay caps at 4 years... compare today's 4 year rate to last year's 4-year rate. To me, a cap makes sense, provided the upward movement actually comes into play. It makes no business sense to incentivize FOs past 4 years (provided that there is room to upgrade). Move up, or get out, I say.

 

Dumbest statement ever!

 

If I recall, Cujo/Mason and the MEC were the ones urging pilots to leave envoy 2yrs ago because they were going to "Comair" envoy. In fact, they were setting up some interview workshops and even as far as encouraging pilots to apply to endeavor in NY since NY was getting shopped.

Pilots left in droves. and in the end, AAG shifted all that flying away since envoy couldn't staff it.

Thanks your ex-savior, the Cuj for that.

Good Luck!

 

They don't know any better.

 

The difference between highest and lowest is 250 per week. You are getting excited about nothing.

 

I'm not excited; if anything, I am depressed.

And $250 a week may mean little to you, but to some, it's the difference between barely existing and being comfortable. At the very least, it's a few hotel rooms while on reserve.

 

Firstclass works for PSA..has never worked for Envoy. Enough said.