Are you really that dense? I lost 60 guys below me on the E145 because they are going to the E175....not because they left the company.

Wow...just wow.

Of course I expect nothing less from someone who gladly paid for his own hotel during training while only making $37/hour. Did you kiss Frontier's management's feet everyday and thank them for the honor of letting you work for them? Who's drinking the Kool-Aid now?

 

Looking at Flow Plan 1512 there seems to be about 60-ish newhires since Aug. I'll take that honestly. All ORD based but real question is how many have actually stayed.

 

Are you really that dense ? I've never stated or implied the flow was a gimmick. It's real, but what I have said is that the numbers don't add up and thus the promises on timelines are dubious and some here like yourself have self-serving motives for selling it and/or supporting others who do for those reasons.

That is snake oil, plain and simple.

Morale is high ? That's best laugh I've had this month. Very few on EL talk about sky high morale and NOBODY I know and have talked to personally states anything remotely close to that.

Good lord.

I have no doubt people are exited about the E-175. It is VERY shiny !

The pay and treatment will still remian crap though, but starving dogs consider even rotten meat palatable.

Now I KNOW you must be one of those "collaborative" minions or a management lackey as those I've heard from there are overwhelmingly negative when talking anout their life there now.

Good luck.

 

I appears more then obvious this is no accident or coincidence. I also think it obvious they are part of a specific group of Envoy pilots tasked with exactly that. You have to admire their tenacity, but any pilot comsidering Envoy shouldn't listen to anyone here, but talk to line pilots there and I thnk they will get a much better handle on the realities of life there. That not withstanding, no one can convince me Envoy can upgrade 75+% of their present F/O's between 2017 and mid 2018.

I've yet to hear a viable argument in rebuttal to that from the usual suspects here. I hear a lot of deflection like personal attacks, but nothing truly viable.

 

Still, only you and Wilson are saying that, snake man.

 

He's a one-trick pony and keeps saying it like some kind of revelation. He's like that guy that manages to hang out in your group of friends that keeps telling the same stories over and over and is oblivious to the fact that everybody's sick of his sh it.

 

Now I'm the snake-oil salesmen ?

LOL !

You have an uncanny knack for twisting your behavior into claiming it is others doing it. One only needs to review multiple threads to note you and other Envoy pilots here actively selling the 2.5/6 myth. I suppose it appears now when you can no longer refute the gross unlikelihood of upgrading 3/4 of Envoy's F/O's between 2017 and mid-2018 (upwards of perhaps 750 pilots) and the concurrent requirement to hire that many to maintain Envoy's present approximate 2100 pilot count to prevent contraction and upgrade slowing, you now no longer make that statement and then strawman that into you NEVER having made it.

I guess that is just another demonstration of the serpentine movement snakes are known for.

 

Your rage is the fact my "story" is not one of fiction. Had you and others not made so massive an effort to sell Envoy (a tactic now all but effectively lost), I wouldn't be one this thread very often. I'd like to hope we have detente now that it's a fact that Envoy's upgrade projections.........oh, I'm sorry, "suggestions" are wholly unrealistic which is a major engine that will drive the flow in the future and your further shameless sales efforts will cease.

Nah.............probably not.

 

Geeezeee eaglefly, give it a rest. Go and get a hobby and be happy.

Other than screwing your previous colleagues.

 

Rage? I don't have time for rage when it come to forum trolls. Disappointment? Sure... Sad that I have to filter through so much junk to see whatever good information or insights might be made.

You're a one man army, judge and jury. You create the fight on your own, judge it, make a verdict and win the war all on your own. Winner every time. Go figure.