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02-27-2016, 09:58 AM
#1451
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Originally Posted by boiler07
And how long does it take for them to overtake allegiant pilots once they're pulling salary from american? Don't forget the automatic retirement contributions made by the company.
What assumptions are you making about the career progression of allegiant pilots?
Your "objective" facts leave out half the story. But it's ok, we're used to it.
What assumptions are you making about the career progression of allegiant pilots?
Your "objective" facts leave out half the story. But it's ok, we're used to it.
Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.
02-27-2016, 10:01 AM
#1452
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Allegiant is one unmaintained aircraft crash away from shutting down. With all the major maintenance problems they have daily it is just a matter of time. How do the calculations work out then? Have fun over there. Enjoy your monthly non commutable TDY to BFE.
02-27-2016, 10:04 AM
#1453
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Originally Posted by boiler07
And more twisted facts about how long the flow takes. Some things never change. :roll eyes:
How long WILL it take for a 2011 hire to flow over?
How long WILL it take for a 2011 hire to flow over?
02-27-2016, 10:07 AM
#1454
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Originally Posted by shfo
Just based off retirement data from APC I have them upgrading at AA when they hit 50% seniority and upgrading onto the 737. I have them as a CA on the 777 the last 12 years of their career.
Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.
Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.
How much do they make if they go to Alegiant for couple years and get picked up at AA faster outside the flow?
02-27-2016, 10:14 AM
#1455
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Not picking sides.....
How much do they make if they go to Alegiant for couple years and get picked up at AA faster outside the flow?
How much do they make if they go to Alegiant for couple years and get picked up at AA faster outside the flow?
02-27-2016, 10:24 AM
#1456
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Originally Posted by shfo
Just based off retirement data from APC I have them upgrading at AA when they hit 50% seniority and upgrading onto the 737. I have them as a CA on the 777 the last 12 years of their career.
Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.
Based on that, AA will overcome AAY in 2031. Over the course of their career AA would pay out (with the 16% DC) 8,215,120 vs 4,800,000 at AAY. Now include that 1,478,000 you stashed away you are over 6,000,000 which is 2 million less than AA. This is also based on today's numbers which are likely to change and I believe AAY is way more likely to see significant gains than AA.
You might be more optimistic, but I won't bet on allegiant getting parity with mainline. Too much risk for me.
As you said, AA pays a pilot more depending on the length of their career. Whether that's something a pilot wants is completely up to them.
02-27-2016, 10:30 AM
#1458
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Why guess when you can do the math?
Dude, get a grip. Your brain is pickled from Envoy juice and you can't see past the Envoy recruiting posters in your room at your parents house.
Where are those big upgrade numbers this year that's going to net you a Captain's seat and that magical flow in just a couple of years from now.
02-27-2016, 10:34 AM
#1459
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Originally Posted by ag386
Or go to Allegiant and get picked up a couple of years later at United, Delta or Southwest.
They took 58 street hires in 2015. To me it's clear that you need a lot more than just 2-3k hours PIC to get a street hire spot.
02-27-2016, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Not picking sides.....
How much do they make if they go to Alegiant for couple years and get picked up at AA faster outside the flow?
How much do they make if they go to Alegiant for couple years and get picked up at AA faster outside the flow?
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