New Envoy Information
03-21-2016, 01:48 PM
#1921
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
185k per year seems like a pretty good reason to both stick around and come to envoy...just sayin captain obvious.
Well, you'll have to add 9 years to the 6 year flow to hit that pay @ AA or 15 YEARS total. By comparison, what's a 2014 hire at Delta making who can hold MD88 captain at LGA ?
Last I heard with profit sharing which doesn't exist at AA, it was $230K and the rest of their CBA is FAR better then ours in the critical areas. Considering 121 PIC is the pathway to Delta and most others, what would you do if you were most pilots ?
Yup, apparently what most other pilots ARE doing, chasing fast upgrades, while Envoy pilots hope and pray for perpetual blue skies and tailwinds to get them a Bronze medal at AA vs. a Gold at Delta.
Pucker up, buttercup, because it looks like a long way to tipperary via Envoy Blvd.
03-21-2016, 01:52 PM
#1922
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Originally Posted by RyanP
lol, nice one 
Plus flowing to AA provides enough free time and days off to off to post thousands and thousands of derogatory Envoy comments. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to flow over there with no interview. You could apparently also be a complete raving nut job or a psychopath and still flow, there is no flowthrough psych eval to weed out the mentally deranged like DAL and UAL have in place.
Plus flowing to AA provides enough free time and days off to off to post thousands and thousands of derogatory Envoy comments. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to flow over there with no interview. You could apparently also be a complete raving nut job or a psychopath and still flow, there is no flowthrough psych eval to weed out the mentally deranged like DAL and UAL have in place.
Don't worry, whenever you do get to AA, I will welcome you with open arms as a fellow pilot who is too much of a loser to get hired anywhere else.
03-21-2016, 01:59 PM
#1923
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Originally Posted by RyanP
lol, nice one
Plus flowing to AA provides enough free time and days off to off to post thousands and thousands of derogatory Envoy comments. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to flow over there with no interview.
Plus flowing to AA provides enough free time and days off to off to post thousands and thousands of derogatory Envoy comments. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to flow over there with no interview.
You guys are all one-trick pony's and your one trick isn't very entertaining.
03-21-2016, 02:05 PM
#1924
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 416
Originally Posted by eaglefly
Really ?
Well, you'll have to add 9 years to the 6 year flow to hit that pay @ AA or 15 YEARS total. By comparison, what's a 2014 hire at Delta making who can hold MD88 captain at LGA ?
Last I heard with profit sharing which doesn't exist at AA, it was $230K and the rest of their CBA is FAR better then ours in the critical areas. Considering 121 PIC is the pathway to Delta and most others, what would you do if you were most pilots ?
Yup, apparently what most other pilots ARE doing, chasing fast upgrades, while Envoy pilots hope and pray for perpetual blue skies and tailwinds to get them a Bronze medal at AA vs. a Gold at Delta.
Pucker up, buttercup, because it looks like a long way to tipperary via Envoy Blvd.
Well, you'll have to add 9 years to the 6 year flow to hit that pay @ AA or 15 YEARS total. By comparison, what's a 2014 hire at Delta making who can hold MD88 captain at LGA ?
Last I heard with profit sharing which doesn't exist at AA, it was $230K and the rest of their CBA is FAR better then ours in the critical areas. Considering 121 PIC is the pathway to Delta and most others, what would you do if you were most pilots ?
Yup, apparently what most other pilots ARE doing, chasing fast upgrades, while Envoy pilots hope and pray for perpetual blue skies and tailwinds to get them a Bronze medal at AA vs. a Gold at Delta.
Pucker up, buttercup, because it looks like a long way to tipperary via Envoy Blvd.
So where would you recommend a new pilot go to? Clearly you think PIC is the pathway to delta and United so I'm curious as to where you would recommend a new hire go to, since apparently you have no confidence in a pilot getting pic at envoy and you also seem to believe an envoy pilot can't get on with United or delta and instead must wait around for a flow.
03-21-2016, 02:07 PM
#1925
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
^^^^^ Nice attempt to delete your latest personal insult about me in the last sentence. Sorry, it was already preserved for posterity.
You guys are all one-trick pony's and your one trick isn't very entertaining.
You guys are all one-trick pony's and your one trick isn't very entertaining.
03-21-2016, 02:16 PM
#1926
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Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
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There was a basic psych eval for those of us hired pre-9/11. As well as the majority of the astronaut physical. X-rays, cog tests, hearing, computerized psych. All the good stuff. The merged Eagles did not have to deal with it, only the people hired by AMR directly to Eagle. The only thing we didn't have to do was get the butt poke like a few years before.
They just saved bending us over for several years later.
They just saved bending us over for several years later.
03-21-2016, 02:18 PM
#1927
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Well, It was true, but not very nice, so I deleted it. So whatever.
03-21-2016, 02:20 PM
#1928
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
There was a basic psych eval for those of us hired pre-9/11. As well as the majority of the astronaut physical. X-rays, cog tests, hearing, computerized psych. All the good stuff. The merged Eagles did not have to deal with it, only the people hired by AMR directly to Eagle. The only thing we didn't have to do was get the butt poke like a few years before.
They just saved bending us over for several years later.
They just saved bending us over for several years later.
03-21-2016, 02:25 PM
#1929
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Don't worry, whenever you do get to AA, I will welcome you with open arms as a fellow pilot who is too much of a loser to get hired anywhere else.
Myself along with hundreds of other Captains here can't get a (Legacy) interview despite checking all the boxes, multiple type ratings, perfect training records, volunteering, good GPA's, way more flight time and experience than these quick upgrade chasers, stacks of internal recs, and playing all the job fair games to boot. HR is in control of hiring these days. Turbine PIC isn't as important as "other" things now. Better hope you can appease whatever some 23 year old Human Resource major pulling apps who knows zip about aviation thinks, and hope your Airline Apps algorithm calculation triggers the right parameters to not be rejected outright. Oops, took 5 years to get your degree? Too bad for you. No chance to explain. Longer than 10 years at a regional? Untrainable, and Unacceptable. Non Tier 1 candidate. No chance to explain. NEXT.
The people chasing PIC time haven't realized it yet that the magic 1,000 TPIC isn't the golden ticket to the big 3 like they were told it was. I'd take the flow any day over waiting for that phone call that likely may never happen.
03-21-2016, 02:31 PM
#1930
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
There was a basic psych eval for those of us hired pre-9/11. As well as the majority of the astronaut physical. X-rays, cog tests, hearing, computerized psych. All the good stuff. The merged Eagles did not have to deal with it, only the people hired by AMR directly to Eagle.
Carl Smith and the Hershey Kiss hair collector guy certainly fell through the cracks. Although I hear Carl was sent packing for something.
Now you can be a complete nut job and get hired though. No questions asked.
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