New Envoy Information
03-16-2016 | 10:32 PM
#1921
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The company's magic number is 30/month through the protected pilot group. No more, no less. That means that for the 824 the months they hire more than 60 they will be metered. For the protected pilot group, it will be no less than 30 regardless...so in the company's zoomed out view it's a wash.
But it will be 30 for the PP group as well. They want to get through the "previous agreement" groups as quickly as possible. Then they can go to making all 3 wholly owned flows 50% combined and street hired the other 50%.
But it will be 30 for the PP group as well. They want to get through the "previous agreement" groups as quickly as possible. Then they can go to making all 3 wholly owned flows 50% combined and street hired the other 50%.
So let's get this straight...Dic Wilson has said that currently we are "overstaffed," (and this is clearly shown by our hard lines not even meeting guarantee) but yet we are metering the 824 because of "future staffing projections" he says. But yet you would have us believe that the company is going to send 30 protected pilots a month, instead of the minimum 25? That's a load of horse manure right there.
The ironic thing is that sending MORE flows from envoy right now would help decrease upgrade time and help with recruiting, but all management can see are numbers on their all-important spreadsheet.
03-17-2016 | 05:05 AM
#1922
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They will have to exceed expectations with the flow. The classis Eagle style of making big promises and not following through isn't going to cut it during the current regional pilot staffing crisis. People have plenty of other options to pursue. If they would have flowed 50 a month last year, we would be flying 85 hrs lines, the upgrade would be down to the 2013 hires, and they would be filling their new hire classes with pilots that have confidence in the promise of flow.
The longer they wait to "exceed expectations" that less of an affect that such actions will have on recruitment. It may have already been too late. Imagine what their staffing would be today if Parker had come in and made improvements at Eagle in 2012 or at the very least accepted our bankruptcy contract. The pennies he saved back then is going to cost him dollars going forward.
03-17-2016 | 06:34 AM
#1923
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“Protected Pilots” Hired By Envoy On or Before October 11, 2011
The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03 and 12-04 (“Protected Pilots”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below:
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 15 per month (subject to the 35%), shall go to Envoy pilots.
Pilots Hired After DOS
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy master seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03 and 12-04 (“Protected Pilots”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below:
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 15 per month (subject to the 35%), shall go to Envoy pilots.
Pilots Hired After DOS
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy master seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
03-18-2016 | 03:38 PM
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Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
03-18-2016 | 03:41 PM
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Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
You clearly don't know anything about envoy, just another troll.
03-18-2016 | 03:52 PM
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Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
03-18-2016 | 04:00 PM
#1928
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Immediate response from the Envoy Patrol. On guard constantly protecting their carrier that does so much for them.
Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!
They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.
Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
03-18-2016 | 04:07 PM
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03-18-2016 | 04:28 PM
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Envoy is no longer overstaffed. Zero time and part time lines are gone, critical coverage was declared all month for DFW FO's, TDY's in effect in April, CDO's are back, line values are back above guarantee and RSV numbers are dwindling.
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