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03-15-2016 | 04:12 AM
#1881
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The flow creates movement, it doesn't stifle. Right now we have a backlog of pilots due to the lost decade after 9/11. We are the only airline that can guarantee 30 pilots per month leave off the top of the seniority list. And our flow will stay at 50% through pilots hired on October 2011.
Currently United and Delta have about 12,000+ applications on file. Forget American as most new hires come from the flow. Where does your average Regional pilot go in that enormous pile of applications? A few years flying an RJ will give you a leg up over people with military time? Or Airbus time? Or 747 time?
Remember you aren't just competing against other Regional pilots. There are pilots from LCCs, the military, Atlas, Omni, Kalitta, and the list goes on.
So you think that applying off the street at only two majors will work out faster than a no interview flow? Remembering that the flow will be at around 5 to 6 years once the current backlog of pilots go over.
Buy into the Internet cynism if you want...none of these people know what's best for you. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk..it's your choice.
Currently United and Delta have about 12,000+ applications on file. Forget American as most new hires come from the flow. Where does your average Regional pilot go in that enormous pile of applications? A few years flying an RJ will give you a leg up over people with military time? Or Airbus time? Or 747 time?
Remember you aren't just competing against other Regional pilots. There are pilots from LCCs, the military, Atlas, Omni, Kalitta, and the list goes on.
So you think that applying off the street at only two majors will work out faster than a no interview flow? Remembering that the flow will be at around 5 to 6 years once the current backlog of pilots go over.
Buy into the Internet cynism if you want...none of these people know what's best for you. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk..it's your choice.
03-15-2016 | 04:52 AM
#1882
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Does anyone else see the inevitable displacement coming for FOs? We all know company wants to hire into the 175. With 7 March new hires and this recent upgrade for CAs, how many new hires are needed to stay on track for training FOs in the 175?
If hiring lags behind the need for FOs then a vacancy will have to open up in the 175. I would assume they would come out of the 145 since we can park the 140s and give away 145s.
Wishful thinking?
If hiring lags behind the need for FOs then a vacancy will have to open up in the 175. I would assume they would come out of the 145 since we can park the 140s and give away 145s.
Wishful thinking?
03-15-2016 | 05:42 AM
#1883
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What happens when the monkeys rise and take dominion over humanity? What happens when a huge meteor destroys the earth? Isn't the "What If" game fun! You just make up whatever crazy scenario you want without substance or validity.
03-15-2016 | 05:48 AM
#1884
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Exactly! Just like you guys "projections" of 2.5/6.
03-15-2016 | 05:56 AM
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But his "what if" doesn't lack substance. He is not saying it is a guarantee, but it is certainly possible, and arguably likely.
03-15-2016 | 06:19 AM
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ag386 and his leader the Reverand like to point out past actions by AMR as indicators of future actions by AAG be only when it supports their agenda.
03-15-2016 | 06:20 AM
#1887
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Envoy recruitment in full effect. Pilots should show up to the interview, and interview recruitment. If they get ****y, just call Mesa right there in the interview, and say I would like to be in class next week, Mesa will hire you, and now you have the upper hand.
03-15-2016 | 06:23 AM
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This is good advice but I might suggest Compass, SkyWest or Endeavor long before slumming it at Mesa.
03-15-2016 | 06:36 AM
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I would suggest Skywest, Compass or Endeavor before slumming it at Envoy or Mesa.
03-15-2016 | 06:46 AM
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Yup, and Saddam had weapons of Mass Destruction. We are "overstaffed" because their future staffing projections were wrong. They are thinking 3, 6, 12 and 24 months ahead.
If we are currently "overstaffed" why did they suddenly want to offer Retention/New Hire bonuses that they have been turning down for years? Why the sudden interest if we are "overstaff"? We will just call that "An Inconvenient Truth" to your campaign agenda.
If we are currently "overstaffed" why did they suddenly want to offer Retention/New Hire bonuses that they have been turning down for years? Why the sudden interest if we are "overstaff"? We will just call that "An Inconvenient Truth" to your campaign agenda.
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