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Old 03-17-2016, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 View Post
Missing something. Protected pilots are at 25 a month, not 30. That's 60 pilots less a year.
Correct, IF they withhold

“Protected Pilots” Hired By Envoy On or Before October 11, 2011 
The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03 and 12-04 (“Protected Pilots”) shall remain in full force and effect and will be enhanced by the language below: 
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.

Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011 
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 15 per month (subject to the 35%), shall go to Envoy pilots.

Pilots Hired After DOS 
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy master seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:50 PM
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Looks like two E-145s coming back from xjt in May. It's not much, but it's another move in the right direction.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by N927EV View Post
Looks like two E-145s coming back from xjt in May. It's not much, but it's another move in the right direction.
Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.

Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:41 PM
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Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.

Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
Lol...renegotiate the flow? Are you even aware of the Protected Pilot agreement?

You clearly don't know anything about envoy, just another troll.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:52 PM
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Lol...renegotiate the flow? Are you even aware of the Protected Pilot agreement?

You clearly don't know anything about envoy, just another troll.
Immediate response from the Envoy Patrol. On guard constantly protecting their carrier that does so much for them.

Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!

They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.

Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Immediate response from the Envoy Patrol. On guard constantly protecting their carrier that does so much for them.

Re-negotiated. Yes. I'm aware of the PP agreement. What's going to happen though is the staffing will reach critical late this year. Envoy will keep on flowing though. Right? Wrong!

They'll violate your agreement so quick in the name of "operational necessity." They've never violated your contract so far, right? Think your union will help? Think again. They're a toothless tiger. In fact, I fully expect them to HELP the company reach a re-negotiated agreement for greatly reducing the flow.

Park planes to keep the flow going. Yeah, right. Add up the numbers yourself. You need new hires to keep this train rolling and management is already desperate for them...in an overstaffed situation.
Hey, man. Don't worry about us. Just worry about yourself and say whatever you have to to justify your move to allegiant.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:07 PM
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Hey, man. Don't worry about us. Just worry about yourself and say whatever you have to to justify your move to allegiant.
I don't even think he was ever at envoy. At least eaglefly went to AA via the flow.

Probably some other regional FO trying to get people below him.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:28 PM
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Envoy is no longer overstaffed. Zero time and part time lines are gone, critical coverage was declared all month for DFW FO's, TDY's in effect in April, CDO's are back, line values are back above guarantee and RSV numbers are dwindling.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Good for Envoy and the possibility of more upgrades and flying. Bad for the flow. Once Envoy reaches correct staffing, which should be close to when the last of the 824 leave, you will likely see the flow re-negotiated to just a handful per month.....reduced to 0 due to operational necessity months. Yes, your union will roll over for Uncle Dougie.....again.

Get those apps out. Maybe JetBlue, Spirit and Virgin are lateral moves to you guys, but it's got to be better than being an Envoy slave for years to come.
Your speculations while remotely possible are derived from your wild imagination. Try to make your theories factually based. Also, please refrain from comparing working at envoy to slavery. That is an insult and an extreme over exaggeration. Get back over to your Alligiant thread and quit wasting our time.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear View Post
Envoy is no longer overstaffed. Zero time and part time lines are gone, critical coverage was declared all month for DFW FO's, TDY's in effect in April, CDO's are back, line values are back above guarantee and RSV numbers are dwindling.
Shhh...come on man. Yoy know that facts are not allowed to this threads???

Also Ord is short on CAs. It will be an interesting year.
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