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Old 01-19-2016 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chignutsak
It's amusing how some folks here put so much faith in this management team to honor its PP "agreement".
The same thing was said about the 824. We are now more than half way through the 824 and it has been honored. Many did not expect it to. I would not put "blind faith" into it but as of right now, there is no reason to believe that it will not be exercised as written other than thinking someone somewhere wants it out for another someone.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 01:28 PM
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We should just sulk around and kick the dog, nothing ever works here.

Man, I'm pretty cynical and pessimistic but damn, some people here need therapy or something.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chignutsak
It's amusing how some folks here put so much faith in this management team to honor its PP "agreement".
About as much confidence that I have that today might be the day that I get called for an interview out of the other 12,000 Qualified Applicants trying to get a job at Delta, United or AA. You act like working for an airline that has flow prevents one from applying for employment elsewhere just like everyone else.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
The same thing was said about the 824. We are now more than half way through the 824 and it has been honored. Many did not expect it to. I would not put "blind faith" into it but as of right now, there is no reason to believe that it will not be exercised as written other than thinking someone somewhere wants it out for another someone.
the 824 is basically a court order, DO IT. Kinda like the one united had years ago by a federal judge, HIRE 250 hour pilots because you advertise that as qualified.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
the 824 is basically a court order, DO IT. Kinda like the one united had years ago by a federal judge, HIRE 250 hour pilots because you advertise that as qualified.
Just because there is a difference doesn't mean there is a logical basis to believe that stopping the flow after the 824 would have any positive effect for the company. It would immediately destroy their recruiting efforts and trigger a mass exodus. That would be like stopping a sinking ship by putting more holes in the hull.

Does it make more sense in a critical staffing situation to offer more incentives (more $$) or do something that would destroy what staffing they have? Other than wishful thinking on your part, it doesn't make good business sense.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 03:00 PM
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The protected pilot flow group (pilots hired before Oct 11, 2011) after the 824 group is an arbitrated award agreement as well.

A "certain" member here will no doubt jump in and say that award is as useful as wet toilet paper.. but nobody cares what he thinks and he doesn't even work here.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 03:41 PM
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A certain infamous ex-Envoy employee that always posts around here claimed over a year ago that by now the flow would have stopped.

It hasn't...in fact the flow has accelerated as more people flow than are required.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
A certain infamous ex-Envoy employee that always posts around here claimed over a year ago that by now the flow would have stopped.



It hasn't...in fact the flow has accelerated as more people flow than are required.

But mah facts! I'm always right, you cannot refute meh! Can't touch this!

Says him.
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Old 01-19-2016 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
the 824 is basically a court order, DO IT. Kinda like the one united had years ago by a federal judge, HIRE 250 hour pilots because you advertise that as qualified.
I wold love to see you go one on one with an actual lawyer with your line of thinking. Reading what you just wrote, it would actually be quite comical!

So, which law school did you go to and why are you now a pilot?
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Old 01-19-2016 | 04:28 PM
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If I recall, Pedro said that envoy will park planes in order to comply with the flow.

So yes, you guys are safe.

Good Luck!
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