ORDinary

So to you "operational necessity" = "if they want". I respectfully disagree. I'm not saying they won't get away with it, I'm saying that I believe it fails to meet the letter and spirit of the contract.

Did you think your insults would convince us we're wrong? Does that ever work for you?

Ar Pilot

Do you really think AAG is not capable of coming up with anything they want as an excuse for "disrupting" the operation to meter to only 30? Evidence by what they just did..

ORDinary

Of course we know they are capable of that. Do you really think we are going to keep quiet about it?

1stCivDivPilot

I know things escalate quickly on here but please understand this is an honest question.

You're going to make noise as you should but to what end? Demands and grievances that will go unanswered? Years of arbitration that won't amount to much of anything? Sure you have the 824 arbitration sort of being honored but how much have those careers been slowed with no compensation? If contracts or our avenues of recourse actually meant anything, wouldn't every regional be hesitant to violate the contract? It seems like a regular occurrence and they keep getting away with it.

buddies8

It seems like a regular occurrence and they keep getting away with it.

that would be alpa's fault to a large extent.

ag386

Don't want to crash the party or anything but, I was saying this all along and you guys wouldn't listen. The company will do what they want to regardless.

AdiosMikeFox

Oh, go ahead. Everyone likes another "I told you so."

You guys must be squirming in your seats with happiness about your forum victory.

Eaglepilot84

I work here and saying I told you so, you think I'm squirming in happiness? No. However I have no problem highlighting the outright lies this company tells. They've declared war on the pilot group with their bold antics so if a new pilot wants to come here, they should know the truth. Until management decides to change their corporate culture and actually FOLLOW the contract and any agreements/awards I would recommend that any new-hire stay far far away from this place. 5-6 year flow? Ha! That could happen if agreements are followed but this "leadership" team has shown they have no intention of doing that. Sad.

eaglefly

Agreed. This has really been the foundation of my comments and the reasoning behind my criticism of some of the bad actors here who are here to do nothing but spin melodramas into fairy tales for the purposes of luring the simple-minded into their existence. I think the primary reason why so many are outraged is that they believed or desperately wanted to believe "things are different this time". They're not. Envoy doesn't HAVE to meter, it CHOOSES to meter and is doing so at arguably a point where they have the most flexible staffing and lowest amount of flying tasked to them.

Let's look at this from a snapshot POV. For the month of February, they imply that releasing 5 more pilots to AA would apparently destabilize their operation for that month and perhaps March. We're not talking about Summer. Fall or beyond as they could always meter legitimately in the future. No, they are simply maximizing their interests because..........well, they can. They've been doing this for decades and so nothing is new and this SHOULD be of little surprise to anybody. In the future with the PP program I believe they can meter to 25 and so that should be expected regardless of the situation. Same with upgrades and one would be prudent IMO, to assume the slowest possible advancement. Fact is, we haven't even seen some real game changers yet, like consolidation and so those would likely impede advancement even more then anticipated based just on the latest realities.

eaglefly

Their blast of yesterday amounted to what was a creampuff thrown at management in response.