Eaglepilot84

Well that was just about the dumbest "I know you are but what am I" post that I've ever seen. How about back to the reality of the **** poor direction our management is leading this company in. It beats trying to tirelessly defend their actions or petty name calling.

eaglefly

Sorry, but no I wasn't. The airline I worked for was American Eagle Airlines, Inc. and was more then just a brand name. That has since been dissolved and the carrier you fly for now is the "brand name" sharing it now with other carriers. Most of the employees (especially pilots) are gone now as is most of the management. The "union" there is also comprised of virtually all different people.

I know misery loves company, but that won't bind me to your present disaster as much as you obviously want it to. Your assertion DOES provide an interesting footnote though and that is in all the recent interaction I've had here with perhaps a half-dozen of you characters (who are really not representative of Envoy pilots as a whole), you and your cohorts have lost no opportunity to proclaim me someone who is NOT a part of "your" airline and thus have no right to comment on what I don't know about and yet now here you are in perfect flip-flop fashion making the opposite argument when it serves your immediate needs.

Epic fail.

snippercr

So, why are you so interested in Envoy? It's not the airline you worked for so you just randomly selected an airline you have to right those you feel are wrong at? There are a dozen other regionals out there, you dont comment on them? Is it the "I have lots of friends still there" argument? You must have friends at other airlines you care about. You dont comment on them - at least to the extent you do here.

You admit it is not the same airline you used to work for so Envoy is just as important to you as say, CommutAir or GoJet. You agreed that most of the employees (pilots) are gone. The union is completely different. You are right - Envoy Air is NOTHING related at all to the AFKA "American Eagle Airlines".

Then why are you so interested then? It takes about 20 seconds to see you only post in Envoy threads with the occasional AA thread - you know, the airline you work for. So you clearly have an obvious obsession of this airline that you never worked for.

People generally ignore you - I do for the most part so if you stopped posting, no one would miss you. Yet you keep posting, again, at an airline that you do not work for nor have you ever worked for. That would be like me going to a Compass thread and EVERY DAY posting controversial topics (true or false) and wondering why there is so much distain

boiler07

That's system wide. The target is upper 20s and industry average is lower 20s.

eaglefly

Why some of you people keep asking this same question repeatedly when I've answered it repeatedly would normally indicate illiteracy. However, in this situation we know it is not that. We know it is instead the complete absence of any coherent argument otherwise. You'll note I say "we" because others DO consider my points as evidenced by their responses.

Perhaps what you repeatedly demonstrate is simply a latent symptom of the battered wife from Stockholm syndrome so prevelent there ?

eaglefly

So, almost a 10% overage in reserves and at least that and more underage in average line values and still they claim they must meter below 50% ? Add to that both part-time lines and zero-time lines and that dog won't hunt.

I'd expect more unhuntable dogs in the future if I were an Envoy pilot.

ORDinary

That is a complete mischaracterization of what is happening. I don't know who you are, but I can't believe that a current Envoy pilot would make light of management's failure to completely honor the flow through.

We know that they treat the contract as optional whenever it suits them, but it appeared that they would honor the flow, since it represents their entire recruitment plan. I guess we were wrong. Potential new hires should probably take note. The flow to AA is a promise made by people with a history of bending the truth. Trust them at your own risk.

This is a sad day.

eaglefly

But a predictable one.

Seriously, if one researched both Stockholm Syndrome (traumatic bonding) and Battered Wife Syndrome, one could not deny what appears to be very similar manifestations of these psychological conditions in tandem. Add to that an "Association" now so impotent, they have simply become bystanders to their own situation and you have all the ingredients for what is happening.

mr25cents

This was just addressed on the town hall meeting. MEC chairman asked (major paraphrasing here) why not flow more than 30 a month if we are overstaffed? Mgmt said that they are concerned about how much disruption flowing over 30 a month would cause. Another question was about Miami: with Cuba opening up and the 175 coming online way ahead of schedule, any chance of getting more Miami flying? The answer was that they wanna keep most of the flying in DFW and ORD, something about keeping reliability high, blah-blah-blah

Bob Loblaw

This is what I saw:

Shoutout to management and labor for bringing the 175 on the way they did [blood money].

Doug: More kudos for getting the 175.

Sam: Special thanks to Pedro and Dee temples for treating employees as humans and not numbers. Fleet plan? Envoy has awesome performance and low attrition - we have more warm bodies and actually recruiting. So why dont we get airplanes?

KH: We have 40 175s arriving and Envoy is positioned to get more airplanes. Envoy has reliability "knocked out of hte park" and costs so the airplane should be arriving.

Sam: Previous management did everything they could to minimize the flow. Explains limit of 50%/30 meters. Given Envoy has excess staffing, the full flow should be going.

RI: More than 30 causes a disruption at the size of an airline like Envoy. Plan for 50% of AA hiring classes to be flow through COMBINED from Envoy, PDT and PSA. 30 a month is the plan

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1) Why all the under guarantee lines, tons of reserves not flying, and ZERO TIME LINES if our staffing is so tight?

2) The envoy flow (as directed through arbitration) is for envoy pilots to occupy 50% of all new hire positions at AA (metering withstanding). NOT 50% including all other wholly owned airlines.

This management team is not to be trusted in the least! Contracts are barely even a suggestion of how things should be run.