Originally Posted by Skyvector

This is why so many on eagle lounge are up in arms. Misunderstanding the contract. I don't blame you...this is a failure on the part of our association.

I'll try to explain as best I can:

We get 50% of each AA class metered to 30. Not 50% period. What does that mean in practice?

Example #1: AA hires 100 pilots in a month. Envoy gets 50% which is 50. If the company wants to meter they can do so down to 30 and no less.

Example #2: AA hires 50 pilots in a month. Envoy gets 50% which is 25. Since 25 is less than 30 the company couldn't meter even if they wanted to. All 25 would have to go.

So what's happening next month? AA is hiring 70, which gives Envoy up to 35 flows. BUT, per our contract the company can meter down to 30 and that is what they are doing. They don't have to have a good reason to do so, they can because our contract has that clause.

On the bright side, that clause means that the company has to send minimum of 30. They can't send only 5 and claim it's because of staffing issues. That would be much worse, wouldn't it? Can you imagine the fit people would be throwing if we only flowed 5 next month, 10 the month after that, then 5 again, and so on. At least that clause makes the company send no less than 30, which in a year with no hiring gaps due to recalls is 360/year.

Also, consider the following: The metered to 30 clause is ONLY for the 824 group. The Protected Pilot group gets 50% flow (after the 40th E175) with no metered to 30 clause. That means that once the PP group starts to flow, and AA hires 70 like they are doing now we will have to flow 35. They won't be able to meter down to 30. The 824 are due to finish flowing in early 2017 and the 40th E175 should be on property by then if not sooner. So yes, expect 360+ flows for 2017 and beyond. The recalls will all have come back by this summer as well so there will be no more hiring gaps either.

Originally Posted by fisherman

I The company cannot just arbitrarily meter to below 50% whenever they feel like it. The contract and arbitrator's award state "metering" below 50% is only allowed to prevent disruption to Envoy's operation. Additionally, future flow-throughs must accelerate to catch up to the 50% ratio. As evidenced by our part-time/zero time/below-guarantee lines, Envoy can clearly send the full 50% without disrupting the operation; therefore metering to less than 50% in February 2016 would be a violation of the CBA and the arbitrator's award.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly

The earth has tipped over as I actually agree with FlameNSky. The withholding of a simple 5 pilots/month sends a 4th of July skyrocket airborne to majestically demonstrate to both potential and present Envoy pilots that nothing said or promised at any given time is valid and that those who are at Envoy can expect to be short-changed.

Violation of contract or not (which seems to be in dispute), it belies the promises they make are virtually certain to be broken.

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84

This just in.......

Ric Wilson says, "We cannot release more than 30 due to operational necessity. Flow and attrition rates currently exceed our new hire rate. Our surplus is quickly depleting."

Taken from Eaglelounge from one of the DFW reps.

If they are claiming we are understaffed with zero-time lines, minimum to below guarantee lines, and reserves flying ZERO hours, at what point are we properly staffed?

envoy management has shown their hand that they have no intention to follow any agreed upon contract or award. Choose wisely if you have any desire to "flow" because their illustrious recruitment tool appears to be a farce.

Originally Posted by N927EV

How can they argue that they can't afford to flow more than 30 when we have zero time, part time, and <70 hr lines??

Originally Posted by fisherman

There are 70 total AA new hires in February. Envoy has announced that only 30 will flow in February. They are required to flow 50%, which would be 35 in this case.

The "metering" to 30/month is only allowed if it would hurt Envoy's ability to staff our flying. Clearly, since we have zero-time/part-time/below-guarantee lines, we have the ability to release the full 50%.

They could still make this right by flowing the required 50% in February; however I have no confidence in them following the contract.

50% is 50%.

Originally Posted by snippercr

4.5 years here, live in base and bid reserve. Flew less than 5 hours this month.

Originally Posted by Skyvector

Read the contract again. It's 50% metered to 30. If they want to meter to 30 they can and they don't have to have a good reason to do so. The overstaffed argument is fine, and should be made. But contractually they are doing nothing wrong. For much of 2015 100% of AA classes were Envoy flows. So it's not like they are trying to pick on anyone..but if playing victim makes you feel better then by all means...

Originally Posted by fisherman

I know that as a recruiter you want to drink the free Kool-Aid, but you are simply mistaken. The company cannot just arbitrarily meter to below 50% whenever they feel like it. The contract and arbitrator's award state "metering" below 50% is only allowed to prevent disruption to Envoy's operation. Additionally, future flow-throughs must accelerate to catch up to the 50% ratio. As evidenced by our part-time/zero time/below-guarantee lines, Envoy can clearly send the full 50% without disrupting the operation; therefore metering to less than 50% in February 2016 would be a violation of the CBA and the arbitrator's award.

Like you, I want Envoy to succeed, but I refuse to cover for the company's violations of the contract.

Also, you are mistaken on the Protect Pilot flow. For Protected Pilots, before the 40th 175, it is 35% or metered to 25 pilots monthly. After the 40th 175, it increases to 50% or metered to 25 pilots monthly.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot

Do you really think AAG is not capable of coming up with anything they want as an excuse for "disrupting" the operation to meter to only 30? Evidence by what they just did..