Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot

I know things escalate quickly on here but please understand this is an honest question.

You're going to make noise as you should but to what end? Demands and grievances that will go unanswered? Years of arbitration that won't amount to much of anything? Sure you have the 824 arbitration sort of being honored but how much have those careers been slowed with no compensation? If contracts or our avenues of recourse actually meant anything, wouldn't every regional be hesitant to violate the contract? It seems like a regular occurrence and they keep getting away with it.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yup.

I think they are allowing management to define the interpretation of that LOA unanswered and that's how managements interpretations become precedent. If they don't know how many AA intends to hire, how can the "50%" requirement be met at any given point in time ? The idea that "truing up" AKA "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" at some later date meets such a requirement is absurd, also considering the value of said transfer to AA is diluted due to loss of seniority if it occurs later at some mythical point. The claim of "disruption" is preposterous considering it is only 5 pilots combined with Envoy's grotesque over staffing (which this BTW claims near 50% reserve coverage as I previously stated, but was supposedly corrected to "the high 20's") and to simply put out another impotent blast to the pilots amounting to a hat in hand "aw shucks, won't you please treat us better and honor your contract" statement should be an embarrassment to those pilots represented by this latest group of flaccid enablers.

Again, in referencing Envoy's own advertisement on this forum stating, "...with Envoy guaranteed to make up half of all of American's new-hire classes.". One really has to ask that if they are representing that definition to the pilot world, why is Envoy ALPA not requiring them to defend that in a grievance hearing ?

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84

I couldn't agree more with everything said above. Those that are on this forum claiming "it's only 5 pilots, relax" are blind to the smoke and mirror show taking place.

New-hires...STAY AWAY!!! Go somewhere else where at least the Kool-aid is strong. Here at envoy, we've already come to the realization what that bitter taste in the kool-aid really is.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky

Hmmmm.... New User, account only after for 45 days. 100% of your post discrediting the Flow and telling others that, "As an active, envoy pilot", stay away from envoy. Yeah, not a troll account at all.

Originally Posted by DaCowboys

How many started class today? Thanks!

Originally Posted by envoy1

I am new at Envoy and in class now. During the indoc we were told by management that upgrading in 2 1/2 years is indeed still very much today's reality for all of us in the room. In addition, the flow could go even lower than 6 years as it stands now. Envoy is a great place to land!

Originally Posted by envoy1

I am new at Envoy and in class now. During the indoc we were told by management that upgrading in 2 1/2 years is indeed still very much today's reality for all of us in the room. In addition, the flow could go even lower than 6 years as it stands now. Envoy is a great place to land!

Originally Posted by Realtalk

Step one: listen to everything management says with truth.

Step two: APC name envoy1

Step three: fend the girls off with a baseball bat.

Envoy is #winning