New Envoy Information
11-19-2016 | 09:45 PM
#6021
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From: forever fo
Oops-- I wasn't very clear. The issue we had was at the Envoy HQ during systems, etc. when trying to get to DFW. Uber would only let you choose a terminal for pickup based on being GPS-located "at the airport." And cabs were equally difficult. We didn't try Lyft though -- will try that next time!
My issue was flight safety dfw as it's actually on the airport property and it did what your said. Lyft didn't care and worked out fine.
11-20-2016 | 04:36 AM
#6023
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Instrument stuff for sure (basically make sure you're current on flying IFR and your associated knowledge), and maybe reference high altitude aerodynamics a bit. It helped me to know the basics of a turbofan too (it had been awhile since my college courses on the jet stuff). Anything pertaining to the aircraft itself or airline procedures, avoid -- you'll confuse yourself and won't know which airplane you're getting anyway. I know everyone says this, but it's true -- everything you need to know they'll teach you. Except for the things I suggested taking a look at if you want to -- it's assumed you know instrument stuff, it's assumed you know why you can only climb to certain altitudes or why it switches to Mach at a certain point, and it's assumed you know about turbine engines to some degree. Enjoy the calm before the storm-- don't look for more to stress about--relax!
11-20-2016 | 04:43 AM
#6024
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Couple/few days for all of the above. You will be in the non rev system after a couple of days, which is how you jumpseat on company. Off company obviously uses CASS, and you'll be on there pretty quickly too. No need to be out of training first. KCM is a separate process you'll complete outside of the training department on your own, but you'll likely inputted and be able to enroll sometime in the first week. Company ID cards will be handed out first week as well.
11-20-2016 | 05:28 AM
#6025
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Next time I gon down to Dfw for 2 weeks or more, I'm bringing a car from chicago. Yeah it may be a long drive, but it would be completely worth it to me to not have to walk in the cold or the heat to get whataburger or scholotskys every day. Plus getting done early on some days you can drive back instead of waiting for the shuttle or having to split an uber.
11-20-2016 | 05:50 AM
#6027
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From: A320 FO
If the airlines really are your second career, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. Are you familiar with the concept of portability of labor? In every other industry, highly trained individuals have the ability to ask for market wages commensurate with their education, record, and years of experience should they choose to switch job locations or employers. Due to the incomplete deregulation of our industry and the unionization, airline pilots don't have that ability. As you are finding out by switching airlines, one has to start over from the beginning. When you get 5 or 10 years of your life INVESTED in an airline, switching employers isn't nearly as easy as you suggest.
If you really do have previous experience in business, then you of all people should understand that a truly successful business is dependant on happy and productive employees. Unfortunately, due to the adversarial nature of the airline industry as a whole, the inadequacy of the RLA to address modern issues in a timely fashion, and the attitude of US Air and now AAG management toward their own employees, there is a deep rift at envoy between management and the front line employees. CR700's dismissive attitude toward those of us that dare challenge his narrative is a prime example of this. Instead of even pretending to care about the concerns of employees and addressing them, he simply calls us liars. Why do myself and others come on to APC at all? Because we have tried to bring our concerns to management through normal and union channels, and this is the attitude we encounter. We're told that things like QOL aren't really an issue, because "no one is complaining except for the vocal minority" when in reality, the average front line employees have simply given up hope that management is listening. I'm here because I refuse to stand by and let people like CR700 lie through omission to new hires. Anyone that is prepared to invest several years of their life working here needs to understand what they are getting themselves into, and have the whole picture.
I also suppose I have some fleeting hope that I'll push enough buttons that someone at Centerport or envoy headquarters leaves their cubical long enough to talk to the people they are supposed to be leading. Did you know that envoy doesn't even conduct exit interviews to find out WHY employees are leaving?
If you really do have previous experience in business, then you of all people should understand that a truly successful business is dependant on happy and productive employees. Unfortunately, due to the adversarial nature of the airline industry as a whole, the inadequacy of the RLA to address modern issues in a timely fashion, and the attitude of US Air and now AAG management toward their own employees, there is a deep rift at envoy between management and the front line employees. CR700's dismissive attitude toward those of us that dare challenge his narrative is a prime example of this. Instead of even pretending to care about the concerns of employees and addressing them, he simply calls us liars. Why do myself and others come on to APC at all? Because we have tried to bring our concerns to management through normal and union channels, and this is the attitude we encounter. We're told that things like QOL aren't really an issue, because "no one is complaining except for the vocal minority" when in reality, the average front line employees have simply given up hope that management is listening. I'm here because I refuse to stand by and let people like CR700 lie through omission to new hires. Anyone that is prepared to invest several years of their life working here needs to understand what they are getting themselves into, and have the whole picture.
I also suppose I have some fleeting hope that I'll push enough buttons that someone at Centerport or envoy headquarters leaves their cubical long enough to talk to the people they are supposed to be leading. Did you know that envoy doesn't even conduct exit interviews to find out WHY employees are leaving?
I don't know how I missed this post. Right on, Trin. I never knew this until now, but a fairly new FO told me that there are probation guys making lateral moves. ***? Wake up, management!!! What you are doing is not working!
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11-20-2016 | 07:28 PM
#6029
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Lateral moves are the exception when it comes to FO attrition and there's always more to the story.
11-20-2016 | 08:59 PM
#6030
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From: Noob
If I make a 3P entry to change my bid preference from ORD to DFW do I have to do anything after making DFW my bid preference or do I wait for an email or HI6 message saying I've been awarded DFW? Also, I used the 3U/DFW/FO/EMJ to see where I stand and it says 100+ already hold that position and gives me my number. Is that how many people are waiting to get DFW ahead of me or the number of people who already have DFW FO EMJ? Seems like the whole Sabre thing got completely overlooked in Indoc. We got our sign in info and that was it.
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